Communication issue

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I rarely hear a boy's coach talk about his player had a bruise on their elbow because of fouls that were not called.

This is a really good point and one of the main reasons I took the OP with a grain of salt. From the sound of the OP, there were 3 or 4 ambulances called to the game site. In reality, girls hit the floor 10 times more often than boys and they cry and they look like they are going to die of pain, and within 5 minutes of being helped off the floor, they are back in the game. I suspect the OP was embellishing the extent of the injuries. Seriously - a major concussion?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Smitty

This is a really good point and one of the main reasons I took the OP with a grain of salt. From the sound of the OP, there were 3 or 4 ambulances called to the game site. In reality, girls hit the floor 10 times more often than boys and they cry and they look like they are going to die of pain, and within 5 minutes of being helped off the floor, they are back in the game. I suspect the OP was embellishing the extent of the injuries. Seriously - a major concussion?

Funny you say this. Early in my career I worked a girl's varsity game. The girls basically did something she had no business doing like trying to dribble between two defenders that were doing nothing but standing in front of her. The girl fell and acted like she hurt her knee. You would have thought with the screaming and yelling she had torn a ligament or broken a leg. The girl's parent even started yelling at us like we had committed a capital crime. We delayed the game for a few minutes as the girl was actually helped off the court. The very next stoppage of play, she was at the scorer's table coming in the game. I knew right thing it was time to hang up girl's basketball. Now it took some years to get some clout to do so, but I eventually got it out of my schedule. And in many cases when I am asked to work girls, the assignor apologizes to me or even makes it clear if I get a boy's game, I can give it back. The last couple years I worked a Xmas Tournament on an off night and I am glad it was only one. And the type of complaints that the coach displayed here is the main reason for that position.

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by Smitty

This is a really good point and one of the main reasons I took the OP with a grain of salt. From the sound of the OP, there were 3 or 4 ambulances called to the game site. In reality, girls hit the floor 10 times more often than boys and they cry and they look like they are going to die of pain, and within 5 minutes of being helped off the floor, they are back in the game. I suspect the OP was embellishing the extent of the injuries. Seriously - a major concussion?

I'm guessing the OP is a relatively new girls coach. A few years of doing this and you'll be like the coach I had the other night when three times in one quarter we had to stop play for an injury (and tears) on the court. When we'd go to beckon him out, he'd just roll his eyes and say "Good gravy..."

[Scratch85]

I've waited a whole day to say this but since I am getting ready to leave for tonights game and won't have to read what the people who disagree with me say until later, I will say it now.

A coach blaming the officials for both teams being so rough that they injure each other is like a parent blaming the teachers at school for their children's misbehavior.

Officials don't try to let a game get out of hand. A game gets out of hand because the play is such that an official may not have the tools (ability) to keep it under control. The players and the coaches are the ones dictating how rough the players play not the officials. They could play within the rules any time they choose. I have called and seen plenty of games where foul calls were no deterrent at all to rough play. And I'm not sure they should be. That is a choice the players and coaches make.

I'm not saying that the officials don't bear a burden of responsibility for the safety of the participants. They do. I am only saying a coach blaming officials for rough play from both teams is somewhat misdirected.

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by Scratch85

I've waited a whole day to say this but since I am getting ready to leave for tonights game and won't have to read what the people who disagree with me say until later, I will say it now.

A coach blaming the officials for both teams being so rough that they injure each other is like a parent blaming the teachers at school for their children's misbehavior.

Officials don't try to let a game get out of hand. A game gets out of hand because the play is such that an official may not have the tools (ability) to keep it under control. The players and the coaches are the ones dictating how rough the players play not the officials. They could play within the rules any time they choose. I have called and seen plenty of games where foul calls were no deterrent at all to rough play. And I'm not sure they should be. That is a choice the players and coaches make.

I'm not saying that the officials don't bear a burden of responsibility for the safety of the participants. They do. I am only saying a coach blaming officials for rough play from both teams is somewhat misdirected.

Amen and amen. What tools do we have in our repertoire to prevent injuries? Calling fouls? Pshaw.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by fiasco

Amen and amen. What tools do we have in our repertoire to prevent injuries? Calling fouls? Pshaw.

I agree also. My main point was with the officials' lack of professionalism, as expressed by the OP.

What we don't know is whether the official was nearing his ABS point with the coach, and his curt answer was just a old school way of preventing the T.

[Scratch85]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

officials' lack of professionalism

I'm with you. There is never an excuse for that.

Hoepfully it wasn't a lack of professionalism but a management tool as you state.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Scratch85

I'm with you. There is never an excuse for that.

Hoepfully it wasn't a lack of professionalism but a management tool as you state.

Yeah, but even so, I'm not fond of that as a management tool. Telling a coach to sit down is unprofessional, IMO, unless he's earned his T. If you don't take care of bidness with the T, you can't tell him to sit on it.

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by fiasco

Amen and amen. What tools do we have in our repertoire to prevent injuries? Calling fouls? Pshaw.

Don't you listen to the fans imploring "If you don't start blowing the whistle someone's gonna get hurt"?
This has led to my contorted logic that the whistle has magic curative powers over and above simply calling fouls.
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