fouls at same time
 

Fouls called at same time against same team in different areas of the floor ... how do you deal with this?

false mulitiple foul comes to mind.

There is no rule support for handling such a situation.
One foul must be determined to have occurred prior to the other or a paradox is created under the current rules, as the NFHS does not have a procedure for handling simultaneous fouls by the same team which do not occur against a single opponent.

what are your thoughts on a false multiple foul and how it might relate to this sit? at least one of the attributes of a multiple foul is missing. re:against the same opponent

My answer was to determine which one was first and go with that.

Don't ruin my Questioning of nevada. i was wondering what his thoughts were. Now I will never know.:D

Do you think that this is the first time that someone has posed this question? Do you think that I have never given any thought to this situation before?

I recall there being a previous thread on this situation on this forum. One of the questions that I posed in trying to help us determine how to properly handle it was to consider what to do if Team B had five team fouls when B1 fouled A1 and at the exact same time B3 fouled A3. Now penalizing both fouls would result in there being seven team fouls against B, so which player from Team A gets awarded the 1-and-1?

As I've previously written the NFHS offers no solution.

Another rule 2-3 candidate.

Two possible solutions I can see.

Declare that one foul happened first and penalize that one.

Declare it a double foul with an * beside it and proceed from POI.

A double foul is not a candidate solution. That is precisely defined in the NFHS rules as a foul by each team, not two fouls by the same team.

Misread the OP.

Call it a multiple foul with an * beside it. Award free throws if in bonus.

Award FTs to A1 or A3? ;)

Both

who first?

flip my little mental coin.........usually reserved for out of bounds plays

You'd award 1-and-1 FTs on the SIXTH team foul? Yikes! :eek:

A1 shoots the first and if he makes it A3 shoots the bonus. ;)

You think the sixth foul puts you in the bonus?? Yikes! :rolleyes:

The real answer is simple. Just determine which was first. Penalize it. In that case the other is to be ignored since it happened during a dead ball.

Play on.

do you think that maybe I did not see the other posts. do you think I may actualy want to here your thoughts on this. Everyone is not out to get you. thanks for your past sit. I brings up a good one I had never thought of.:)

Unless the first foul was against a shooter. ;)

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No, I think that you don't read the posts very carefully. :rolleyes:

I went back to the OP, which did not specify how many.

I've forgotten your solution to the OP. Declare that one came first? I think, in reality, that's what most of us would do.

Was this a test question? I swear this was on the Iowa Closed Book Test and I didn't know how to answer it. I think it said "T or F: Fouls called at same time against same team in different areas of the floor. Ball will be put in play at the division line, opposite the table." I didn't know so I answered true lol

-Josh

this was on the KHSAA test
 

I just took my online test - a question about where the ball is put in play after simultaneous fouls was on there.

Case book, 4.19.10 Simultaneous foul
b1 fouls dribbling a1 near the division line. At approximately the same time, a2 fouls b2 in the lane near Team A's basket. Ruling: This is a simultaneous personal foul. B1 and A2 are charged with personal fouls. the ball shall be put back in play at the point of interruption. Team A is awarded a throw in on the sideline nearest to where the ball was located when the fouls occurred.

A simultaneous foul involves two fouls committed by OPPONENTS. The situation being discussed in this thread involves two fouls committed by TEAMMATES.

It seems that you missed that important point. ;)