Basket interference v. goal tending

[Rita C]

Let me see if I have this straight: Basket interference is at the basket and may or may not involve touching the ball. Goal tending is not necessarily at the basket and only involves touching the ball.

Basket interference can be by offense or defense. goal tending is defense only.

Or can someone else put it better?

Rita

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Rita C

Let me see if I have this straight: Basket interference is at the basket and may or may not involve touching the ball. Goal tending is not necessarily at the basket and only involves touching the ball.

Basket interference can be by offense or defense. goal tending is defense only.

Or can someone else put it better?

Rita

Not quite...

GT is never at the basket (it is always when the ball is entirely outside the cylinder). Otherwise, it is BI.

GT can be by either...it it not limited to the defense but it would be very rare to see it by the offense (I've never seen it).

[BillyMac]

A player cannot touch the ball, ring, or net while the ball is on the ring or within the basket. A player cannot touch the ball if it is in the imaginary cylinder above the ring. These are examples of basket interference. It is legal to touch the ring or the net if the ball is above the ring and not touching the ring, even if the ball is in the imaginary cylinder above the ring. It is legal to hang on the ring if a player is avoiding an injury to himself or herself or another player.

The backboard has nothing to do with goaltending. Goaltending when a player touches the ball during a try, or tap, while it is in its downward flight ,entirely above the basket ring level and has the possibility of entering the basket. On most layups, the ball is going up after it contacts the backboard. It is legal to pin the ball against the backboard if it still on the way up and not in the imaginary cylinder above the basket. Slapping the backboard is neither basket interference nor is it goaltending and points cannot be awarded. A player who strikes a backboard, during a tap, or a try, so forcefully that it cannot be ignored because it is an attempt to draw attention to the player, or a means of venting frustration, may be assessed a technical foul. When a player simply attempts to block a shot and accidentally slaps the backboard it is neither a violation nor is it a technical foul.

[rwest]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

A player cannot touch the ball, ring, or net while the ball is on the ring or within the basket. A player cannot touch the ball if it is in the imaginary cylinder above the ring. These are examples of basket interference. It is legal to touch the ring or the net if the ball is above the ring and not touching the ring, even if the ball is in the imaginary cylinder above the ring. It is legal to hang on the ring if a player is avoiding an injury to himself or herself or another player.

The backboard has nothing to do with goaltending. Goaltending when a player touches the ball during a try, or tap, while it is in its downward flight ,entirely above the basket ring level and has the possibility of entering the basket. On most layups, the ball is going up after it contacts the backboard. It is legal to pin the ball against the backboard if it still on the way up and not in the imaginary cylinder above the basket. Slapping the backboard is neither basket interference nor is it goaltending and points cannot be awarded. A player who strikes a backboard, during a tap, or a try, so forcefully that it cannot be ignored because it is an attempt to draw attention to the player, or a means of venting frustration, may be assessed a technical foul. When a player simply attempts to block a shot and accidentally slaps the backboard it is neither a violation nor is it a technical foul.

I agree by rule hitting the backboard is not basket interference, but logically it is. If a player hits the backboard and that prevents the ball from going in, what else is but basket interference? However, until they change the rules, I wont call it. I just don't agree with the rule committee's logic on this one.

[chartrusepengui]

Originally Posted by rwest

I agree by rule hitting the backboard is not basket interference, but logically it is. If a player hits the backboard and that prevents the ball from going in, what else is but basket interference? However, until they change the rules, I wont call it. I just don't agree with the rule committee's logic on this one.

If the player intentionally strikes the backboard to ensure that the ball will not go into the basket - it is not basket interference - it is a technical foul. However, you must deem the act intentional - not accidental.

[rwest]

Originally Posted by chartrusepengui

If the player intentionally strikes the backboard to ensure that the ball will not go into the basket - it is not basket interference - it is a technical foul. However, you must deem the act intentional - not accidental.

I realize that. I'm talking about on a try for goal when the defender attempts to block the shot. If he hits the rim or net when attempting to block the shot we have BI, assuming the other factors are in play. Why not the backboard? I agree by rule we have nothing. But logic says it is basket interference. Again, I'm not talking about intentionally hitting the backboard.

[rwest]

Originally Posted by Rita C

Let me see if I have this straight: Basket interference is at the basket and may or may not involve touching the ball. Goal tending is not necessarily at the basket and only involves touching the ball.

Basket interference can be by offense or defense. goal tending is defense only.

Or can someone else put it better?

Rita

Goal Tending require 4 elements and all must be active:

1. A try or tap for goal.
2. On it's downward trajectory
3. Above the Rim
4. It has to have a chance to go in.

Basket Interference has the following elements and only one must be active:

1. Live Ball in the imaginary cylinder
2. Live Ball on the rim or in the basket.

When 1 is active, if the ball is touched we have BI. When 2 is active, if either the ball, rim or net is touched we have BI.

You can have GT by either the Offense or Defense, but as someone else has said, offensive GT is very rare.

You can not have GT when a team shoots at the wrong goal, because by definition this is not a try or tap for goal.

You can have BI when a team shoots at the wrong goal, because BI does not require a try or tap for goal. It only requires that the ball be live and either in the cylinder or in/on the basket. For instance, if A1 is inbounding the ball and passes the ball to A2 on the other side of the basket. If the ball is in the imaginary cylinder when B2 touches the ball, score 2 points to team A for BI.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by rwest

Goaltending require four elements and all must be active:
1. A try or tap for goal.
2. On it's downward trajectory
3. Above the rim
4. It has to have a chance to go in.

I've heard an interpreter add a fifth element: the ball must be outside the cylinder. I guess his reasoning is that if it's inside the cylinder, then it's basket interference rather than goaltending.

Comments?

[rwest]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I've heard an interpreter add a fifth element: the ball must be outside the cylinder. I guess his reasoning is that if it's inside the cylinder, then it's basket interference rather than goaltending.

Comments?

Although, I don't really believe we need to add a 5th element because the definition of BI covers this scenario. But if someone wants to use this to help them remember, go for it.

[Scrapper1]

I've posted this several times now in different threads, so it's all just cut-and-pasted. But if it helps, here it is again:

In order to have GT, there must be a try for goal. For BI, it doesn't matter how the ball gets on the rim or in the cylinder. Could be a pass or a deflection. But for GT, it must be a try.

Goaltending:

1. Must be a try.
2. Must be on the way down.
3. Must be completely outside the cylinder.
4. Must be completely above the rim.
5. Must have a chance to go in.

Basket Interference:

1. Can't touch the ball if it's in the cylinder.
2. Can't touch the basket or ball if it's on or in the basket.
3. Can't touch the ball (even outside the cylinder) after reaching through the basket.
4. If rim is moved, it can't contact the ball before returning to its original position.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

For BI, it doesn't matter how the ball gets on the rim or in the cylinder. Could be a pass or a deflection.

Or a throwin.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Or a throwin.

Which would be a....wait for it.....pass.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Which would be a....wait for it.....pass.

Correct. But, oddly, in the case of a throwin pass, it wouldn't have counted if it went in (throwin violation), but would be awarded if the throwin pass was interfered with (BI). A "regular" pass would count if it went in.