A play for 2-3?

[Adam]

The free throw discussion brought this hypothetical to mind.

A1 at the line, standing way to the right side of the lane due to some quirky habit. He takes a few dribbles before his shot, and B3, standing in the top spot along the lane next to the shooter, knocks the ball out of A1's reach.

Discuss.

[Vinski]

Seems unsporting to me. I have a technical.

[Clark Kent]

technical and goal tending!

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

technical and goal tending!

Goaltending?? Seriously? Explain, please.

[Clark Kent]

4.22 Goal tending occurs when.....an opponent of the free thrower touches the ball outside the cylinder during a free-throw attempt.

4.20.2
A free throw starts when the ball is at the disposal of the free thrower

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

4.22 Goal tending occurs when.....an opponent of the free thrower touches the ball outside the cylinder during a free-throw attempt.

4.20.2
A free throw starts when the ball is at the disposal of the free thrower

What penalty are you going to impose for the violations?

[M&M Guy]

Ooh...very interesting...

I like it - if it's the first of 2, count it, clear the lane, shoot the second, then shoot the 2 T FT's, then give A the ball back at the division line for a throw-in.

To paraphrase a former poster here - That should stop the 'lil sh!ts from doing THAT again!

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

4.22 Goal tending occurs when.....an opponent of the free thrower touches the ball outside the cylinder during a free-throw attempt.

4.20.2
A free throw starts when the ball is at the disposal of the free thrower

I like the attempt, but I'm pretty sure that's not what they meant.

BillyMac will like that the OP could be an example of a T under 10-3-5

[Clark Kent]

I have no problem with omitting the goal tending, as long as you give him both free throw attempts prior to the administration of the technical.

If you take away his attempt you have to count the point as goal tending.

Any objections?

[Adam]

Just to be a contrarian, how about disconcertion (a stretch, but using 2-3 here works) the first time with a threat of a T? Give the ball back to the shooter, give the delayed violation signal, and let him have two cracks at the free throw.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

I have no problem with omitting the goal tending, as long as you give him both free throw attempts prior to the administration of the technical.

If you take away his attempt you have to count the point as goal tending.

Any objections?

If you call the goal tending, you automatically have a T anyway.

[Clark Kent]

Player technical
a player shall not....
10.9 Goaltend during a free throw

you can debate whether or not it is a FT attempt and goaltending on the OP, however even if it isn't goal tending the act still falls under the unsporting act category and you'd have a technical.


Not quite the picture I had painted in the OP but still interesting.

YouTube - Goaltending A Free Throw

[Adam]

Obviously the free throw has begun, so that's not the question. I would say the free throw "attempt" has not begun, but that's an undefined word. My thought is the intent of the goal tending rule here is to prevent the defense from actually blocking the free throw shot itself.

I wouldn't really argue with someone who called it goal tending, however. I can see going any one of three ways with this.

1. GT and the requisite TF.
2. TF for unsportsmanlike behavior.
3. Disconcertion with a warning.

I'd probably lean towards #2, but could see going either way depending on the situation.

[Jesse James]

Years ago in Indiana, there was a team that, if they stepped in the lane way early, would continue in the lane and actually guard the free-thrower. The thinking was, the opponent was going to be awarded another throw on a miss anyway, so let's make sure he misses. Got away with only a substitute FT penalty a few times.

As I understand it, after one or two well-placed unsportsmanlike T's later in the season, it stopped.

[Adam]

I'd have had my players (if I was a coach) shoot into the defender's hand.