A play for 2-3?

[Clark Kent]

technical and goal tending!

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

technical and goal tending!

Goaltending?? Seriously? Explain, please.

[Clark Kent]

4.22 Goal tending occurs when.....an opponent of the free thrower touches the ball outside the cylinder during a free-throw attempt.

4.20.2
A free throw starts when the ball is at the disposal of the free thrower

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

4.22 Goal tending occurs when.....an opponent of the free thrower touches the ball outside the cylinder during a free-throw attempt.

4.20.2
A free throw starts when the ball is at the disposal of the free thrower

What penalty are you going to impose for the violations?

[M&M Guy]

Ooh...very interesting...

I like it - if it's the first of 2, count it, clear the lane, shoot the second, then shoot the 2 T FT's, then give A the ball back at the division line for a throw-in.

To paraphrase a former poster here - That should stop the 'lil sh!ts from doing THAT again!

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

4.22 Goal tending occurs when.....an opponent of the free thrower touches the ball outside the cylinder during a free-throw attempt.

4.20.2
A free throw starts when the ball is at the disposal of the free thrower

I like the attempt, but I'm pretty sure that's not what they meant.

BillyMac will like that the OP could be an example of a T under 10-3-5

[Clark Kent]

I have no problem with omitting the goal tending, as long as you give him both free throw attempts prior to the administration of the technical.

If you take away his attempt you have to count the point as goal tending.

Any objections?

[Adam]

Just to be a contrarian, how about disconcertion (a stretch, but using 2-3 here works) the first time with a threat of a T? Give the ball back to the shooter, give the delayed violation signal, and let him have two cracks at the free throw.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

I have no problem with omitting the goal tending, as long as you give him both free throw attempts prior to the administration of the technical.

If you take away his attempt you have to count the point as goal tending.

Any objections?

If you call the goal tending, you automatically have a T anyway.

[Clark Kent]

Player technical
a player shall not....
10.9 Goaltend during a free throw

you can debate whether or not it is a FT attempt and goaltending on the OP, however even if it isn't goal tending the act still falls under the unsporting act category and you'd have a technical.


Not quite the picture I had painted in the OP but still interesting.

YouTube - Goaltending A Free Throw

[Vinski]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

technical and goal tending!

If you call goal tending on this, I think you can pretty much count on giving more than just one T. You may end up with a couple of ejections as well.

Enforcing goal tending is not at all what the rules want here. Can you imagine trying to explain this to your assigner or during the next pool meeting? You know you’re going to have to because the coach is going to be on phone with them.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Vinski

If you call goal tending on this, I think you can pretty much count on giving more than just one T. You may end up with a couple of ejections as well.

Enforcing goal tending is not at all what the rules want here. Can you imagine trying to explain this to your assigner or during the next pool meeting? You know you’re going to have to because the coach is going to be on phone with them.

I honestly think the situation falls so far outside the norm, that you could get away with this. The goal tending on this really only costs 1 point, maybe, since at the very least you're going to give the player another shot.

I'd be more than happy to talk to the coach about it, and if he's going to go ballistic about this play, he deserves a seat in the locker room. He had better be chewing B3 a new hole if he's raising his voice.

[Vinski]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I honestly think the situation falls so far outside the norm, that you could get away with this. The goal tending on this really only costs 1 point, maybe, since at the very least you're going to give the player another shot.

I'd be more than happy to talk to the coach about it, and if he's going to go ballistic about this play, he deserves a seat in the locker room. He had better be chewing B3 a new hole if he's raising his voice.

The goaltending definition (4-22) states:
Goaltending occurs when a player touches the ball during a field-goal try or tap while it is in its downward flight entirely above the basket ring level and has the possibility of entering the basket in flight, or an opponent of the free thrower touches the ball outside the cylinder during a free-throw attempt.

Swatting the ball away while the shooter is bouncing the ball a couple of times before the shot is not during the attempt. I am hard pressed to see a goaltend call on this.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Vinski

The goaltending definition (4-22) states:
Goaltending occurs when a player touches the ball during a field-goal try or tap while it is in its downward flight entirely above the basket ring level and has the possibility of entering the basket in flight, or an opponent of the free thrower touches the ball outside the cylinder during a free-throw attempt.

Swatting the ball away while the shooter is bouncing the ball a couple of times before the shot is not during the attempt. I am hard pressed to see a goaltend call on this.

Let me rephrase, since I'm not in the GT camp on this one. I agree with you that "during the attempt" is not while dribbling. I wouldn't call GT.

That said, I wouldn't even consider trying to talk my partner out of it if he or she made that call. In that case, I'd be more than happy to explain to the coach the reasoning behind it, with full support for my partner.

[Back In The Saddle]

Clark Kent, you may be new here, but you show some serious potential to be a world class evil genius!

My understanding of the spirit and intent of the goaltending rule is that is intended to be just like the regular goaltending rule, but also to penalize swatting away a free throw on it's way up too.

I'm going with the T on this for unsporting conduct. The act is certainly unsporting, and the penalty is in line with that for reaching through the boundary and touching the ball during a throw-in.

I wouldn't choke on my own vomit if my partner called the kid for disconcerting, but that would not be the call I'd make.