A play for 2-3?

[Adam]

The free throw discussion brought this hypothetical to mind.

A1 at the line, standing way to the right side of the lane due to some quirky habit. He takes a few dribbles before his shot, and B3, standing in the top spot along the lane next to the shooter, knocks the ball out of A1's reach.

Discuss.

[Vinski]

Seems unsporting to me. I have a technical.

[Clark Kent]

technical and goal tending!

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

technical and goal tending!

Goaltending?? Seriously? Explain, please.

[Clark Kent]

4.22 Goal tending occurs when.....an opponent of the free thrower touches the ball outside the cylinder during a free-throw attempt.

4.20.2
A free throw starts when the ball is at the disposal of the free thrower

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

4.22 Goal tending occurs when.....an opponent of the free thrower touches the ball outside the cylinder during a free-throw attempt.

4.20.2
A free throw starts when the ball is at the disposal of the free thrower

What penalty are you going to impose for the violations?

[M&M Guy]

Ooh...very interesting...

I like it - if it's the first of 2, count it, clear the lane, shoot the second, then shoot the 2 T FT's, then give A the ball back at the division line for a throw-in.

To paraphrase a former poster here - That should stop the 'lil sh!ts from doing THAT again!

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

4.22 Goal tending occurs when.....an opponent of the free thrower touches the ball outside the cylinder during a free-throw attempt.

4.20.2
A free throw starts when the ball is at the disposal of the free thrower

I like the attempt, but I'm pretty sure that's not what they meant.

BillyMac will like that the OP could be an example of a T under 10-3-5

[Vinski]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

technical and goal tending!

If you call goal tending on this, I think you can pretty much count on giving more than just one T. You may end up with a couple of ejections as well.

Enforcing goal tending is not at all what the rules want here. Can you imagine trying to explain this to your assigner or during the next pool meeting? You know you’re going to have to because the coach is going to be on phone with them.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Vinski

If you call goal tending on this, I think you can pretty much count on giving more than just one T. You may end up with a couple of ejections as well.

Enforcing goal tending is not at all what the rules want here. Can you imagine trying to explain this to your assigner or during the next pool meeting? You know you’re going to have to because the coach is going to be on phone with them.

I honestly think the situation falls so far outside the norm, that you could get away with this. The goal tending on this really only costs 1 point, maybe, since at the very least you're going to give the player another shot.

I'd be more than happy to talk to the coach about it, and if he's going to go ballistic about this play, he deserves a seat in the locker room. He had better be chewing B3 a new hole if he's raising his voice.

[Vinski]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I honestly think the situation falls so far outside the norm, that you could get away with this. The goal tending on this really only costs 1 point, maybe, since at the very least you're going to give the player another shot.

I'd be more than happy to talk to the coach about it, and if he's going to go ballistic about this play, he deserves a seat in the locker room. He had better be chewing B3 a new hole if he's raising his voice.

The goaltending definition (4-22) states:
Goaltending occurs when a player touches the ball during a field-goal try or tap while it is in its downward flight entirely above the basket ring level and has the possibility of entering the basket in flight, or an opponent of the free thrower touches the ball outside the cylinder during a free-throw attempt.

Swatting the ball away while the shooter is bouncing the ball a couple of times before the shot is not during the attempt. I am hard pressed to see a goaltend call on this.

[Clark Kent]

Originally Posted by Vinski

If you call goal tending on this, I think you can pretty much count on giving more than just one T. You may end up with a couple of ejections as well.

Enforcing goal tending is not at all what the rules want here. Can you imagine trying to explain this to your assigner or during the next pool meeting? You know you’re going to have to because the coach is going to be on phone with them.

I say to my assigner or the coach "Rule 10.22 says that goaltending can occur on the free throw and rule 10.20.2 says the free throw starts when it is at the disposal of the free throw shooter"

I don't think it would be that difficult. It's one point. The kid took away his right to attempt the free throw by slapping the ball away prior to him having an "fair" opportunity to score the basket.

Again like I said earlier I have no problem just letting the kid re-shoot and then the tech, but why would the definition of goaltending (4.22) state that it can occur on a free throw?

At what point to you call it a Goaltending on the free throw? Once the shot is on it's downward flight outside the cylinder? Once it hits the cylinder it would be Basket Interference and no un-sporting act occurs. Agreed?

[Vinski]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

I say to my assigner or the coach "Rule 10.22 says that goaltending can occur on the free throw and rule 10.20.2 says the free throw starts when it is at the disposal of the free throw shooter"

I’m not arguing this point. The rules clearly state that goaltending can occur during a free-throw.

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

I don't think it would be that difficult. It's one point. The kid took away his right to attempt the free throw by slapping the ball away prior to him having an "fair" opportunity to score the basket.

Agreed. And I believe that this would be an usporting T.

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

Again like I said earlier I have no problem just letting the kid re-shoot and then the tech, but why would the definition of goaltending (4.22) state that it can occur on a free throw?

It says free throw attempt. I believe the intent of the word “attempt” in this situation means the actual act of attempting the free throw shot. That’s how I see it anyway.

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

At what point to you call it a Goaltending on the free throw? Once the shot is on it's downward flight outside the cylinder? Once it hits the cylinder it would be Basket Interference and no un-sporting act occurs. Agreed?

During the actual attempt of the shot. This of course can mean during the upward flight of the ball as well as downward.