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Old Sun Oct 25, 2009, 08:49pm
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Jump balls -- E.G. "guard oriented" teams disadvantaged

There often were big enough height differences between the jumpers that the smaller jumper would not even try to jump. It also took a bit longer to get everyone positioned around the jump circle.
Back in the days before the possession arrow, there were not as many woman games--where the held ball is generally more prevalent--which would add even more "positioning" time.
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Old Tue Oct 27, 2009, 09:10am
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Letting coaches request time out should go, for all the reasons stated.

As for jump balls to start the game, keep it. It means the game begins with competition, not with a coin toss. It's a much better opening to the competition than a throw-in. I'd restore it at halftime as well.

If officials, coaches and players aren't straight on the rules or the mechanics then they need to brush up.
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Old Tue Oct 27, 2009, 09:42am
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Free Throw coverage

I agree with you on the Free Throw coverage. From the POE and the mechanics change, it appears that the NFHS is more concerned with being able to see the lane violation than being able to referee the rebounding action. As lead looking across the lane you are straghtlined for that rebound foul. Have no idea if player was pushed from behind or if he himself jumped forward.
I think the NCAA mechanic of same side is a better situation. Rather miss a lane violation (how many of these actually get called?) than a rebounding foul.
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Old Tue Oct 27, 2009, 09:58am
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As lead looking across the lane you are straghtlined for that rebound foul. Have no idea if player was pushed from behind or if he himself jumped forward.
The Lead has no business calling a push from behind anyway. That's why we have a trail and a center.
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Old Tue Oct 27, 2009, 10:06am
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The only benefit of changing the held ball rule would be that officials would be more likely to let the kids play through them.

It's still not worth it.
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Old Tue Oct 27, 2009, 10:26am
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The Lead has no business calling a push from behind anyway. That's why we have a trail and a center.
Agreed, the lead has no business and no factual basis for making that foul call - so who is going to make it, given the current mechanics? The mechanics are the same for the lead in both the two man and three man game. In the 3 man game C is looking at shooter and opposite lane. T would be looking at the entire picture, but probably focusing on his side of the lane for rebounding fouls (the same side C is looking at). Lead is still left straightlined with little help.

Hence, the mechanic should be changed to observing same side - focus needs to be on getting fouls and perhaps missing a "technical" violation. NFHS seems very concerned with rough play on FT rebounds, but the mechanic doesn't help.
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Old Tue Oct 27, 2009, 11:02am
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Agreed, the lead has no business and no factual basis for making that foul call - so who is going to make it, given the current mechanics?
He's referred to as the Trail. He's on the same side as the Lead and should be closing down for referee the rebound.

The center and the trail should be making all rebounding push in the back fouls.
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