what is a grasp?

[rsl]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

... (and I'm one of those guys who thinks this rule applies to the net as well) ...

The rule says "basket", and basket is defined earlier in the rules as basket ring together with net, so I think the rule does apply to net.

And I have daughters too- Now you have me worried just thinking about it!

[constable]

Anyone else think that the prohibition on dunking in the warm up is one of the dumbest rules there is?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by constable

Anyone else think that the prohibition on dunking in the warm up is one of the dumbest rules there is?

Nope.

Went to work an "alumni game" yesterday. One of the players dunked and hung at one end of the gym. Broke the basket support (the whole support / backboard started swinging wildly.

The alums had to play half-court.

[constable]

so then ban hanging on the rim in the warm up like we do in the game.


With breakaway rims, you really need to throw it down hard and hang on the rim for a while before you do any damage to it.

Just going up and dunking the ball will not break the rim.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by constable

so then ban hanging on the rim in the warm up like we do in the game.


With breakaway rims, you really need to throw it down hard and hang on the rim for a while before you do any damage to it.

Just going up and dunking the ball will not break the rim.

Schools are laying off teachers because of budget cuts and you want to allow dunking in pre-game, where there's potential to do hundreds if not thousands of dollars in damage. It's unecessary and expensive when one is broken.

You couldn't be more wrong.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by constable

so then ban hanging on the rim in the warm up like we do in the game.


With breakaway rims, you really need to throw it down hard and hang on the rim for a while before you do any damage to it.

Just going up and dunking the ball will not break the rim.

Then you have players trying to do things they cannot do. And for the record about 3 years ago a kid died from my state (playing in another state during the summer) trying to dunk and he fell on his head and died. I do not think this should be legal if for no other reason players that would never be able to dunk in a real game, try to touch, hang, and dunk on the ring when they cannot get up there in the first place.

Peace

[constable]

How is it different from dunking in a game? If there is such a significant risk to players when dunking, then why allow it during the game?

Is Federation the only rule set which prohibits dunking during the warm up? You can do it in FIBA. What are the NCAA rules?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by constable

How is it different from dunking in a game? If there is such a significant risk to players when dunking, then why allow it during the game?

Is Federation the only rule set which prohibits dunking during the warm up? You can do it in FIBA. What are the NCAA rules?

A player dunking in a game likely can do so and if they cannot, they might get pulled by the coach because it cost them points. You do not see players trying to dunk that cannot in games. In warm-ups kids might try several times and cause the rim to break more than once.

BTW, the rules at the NCAA level are the same. I do not give a rat's behind about FIBA rules because they might use a different financial structure to fix a rim and backboard.

Peace

[eyezen]

Originally Posted by constable

How is it different from dunking in a game? If there is such a significant risk to players when dunking, then why allow it during the game?

Is Federation the only rule set which prohibits dunking during the warm up? You can do it in FIBA. What are the NCAA rules?

Can't do it in NCAA either...seems as though you are more worried about wanting to see a dunk contest rather than officiating a basketball game. For that I suggest the NBA all-star weekend or an And-1 taping.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by constable

How is it different from dunking in a game? If there is such a significant risk to players when dunking, then why allow it during the game?

As Billy Mac said, you're going to have kids trying to dunk that can't and with that comes an increaded injury risk. Game versus warmups, here's one example: In warmups you would have kids, who can't dunk, running from half court, jumping, and trying to dunk. Are you going to have that during a game? No.

And I don't know where you got that you have to really hang on the rim to break it. That just isn't true.

Is Federation the only rule set which prohibits dunking during the warm up? You can do it in FIBA. What are the NCAA rules?

It doesn't matter. NCAA players are not HS kids. There's a higher skill level at work. There are plenty of rule differences between NCAA and NFHS and most of them exist because of the difference in skill level.

Am I not entitled to my opinion?

Did you not ask us what we thought?

"Anyone else think that the prohibition on dunking in the warm up is one of the dumbest rules there is?"

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Nope. Went to work an "alumni game" yesterday. One of the players dunked and hung at one end of the gym. Broke the basket support.

Let's not forget the injury factor, players who would never, or could never, try to dunk in a game, trying to dunk during warmups. An injury waiting to happen.

[eyezen]

Originally Posted by constable

Anyone else think that the prohibition on dunking in the warm up is one of the dumbest rules there is?

I for one don't. Yes the rule may have come from a bygone era of rigid rims, but the antics and gamesmanship that it prevents is more than satisfactory for keeping the rule.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by constable

Anyone else think that the prohibition on dunking in the warm up is one of the dumbest rules there is?

Only in third grade games. That's where it should be encouraged.