NCAA Secondary Defender - rule change

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

The NCAA diagram for this season.

https://www.eofficials.com/ESO_Repos...rt_Diagram.pdf

That is what I thought the description was saying...and the picture makes it clear. However, without a precise marking on the floor, it will be a gray area and some officials will still not call a charge even if the player is a foot or even three outside that "box" with the claim that the player was "under the basket"...as they already do.

[icallfouls]

here is the rule and rationale for it as well as the rationale for not having it marked on the floor

New Rule. A secondary defender may not establish initial legal guarding position under the basket when playing a player who is in control of the ball (i.e., dribbling or shooting) or who has released the ball for a pass or try for goal. A secondary defender is a teammate who has helped a primary defender who has been beaten by an opponent because he failed to establish or maintain a guarding position. “Under the basket” is defined as from the front and side of the ring to the front of the backboard. A player is considered under the basket when any part of either foot is in this area. (Note: An approved ruling will indicate that a player straddling this area is considered to be under the basket.)


In establishing position in any outnumbering fast break situation, a player may not establish initial legal guarding position under the basket since there is no primary defender.


In both cases, when illegal contact occurs, such contact shall be called a blocking foul, unless the contact is intentional or flagrant.

Rationale:The committee is responding to overwhelming concern from the membership regarding contact under the basket. After some consideration of a restricted arc, the committee decided that court markings were not needed, but changed its rule in reference to secondary player establishing initial guarding position under the basket.

[Jesse James]

While the committee explains their rationale, could they also explain the logic to now let A drive baseline, go up for a reverse lay-up or reverse jam, and completely splatter a stationary secondary defender under the hoop to draw the blocking foul.

How else is a secondary defender supposed to stop that drive?

[icallfouls]

Originally Posted by Jesse James

While the committee explains their rationale, could they also explain the logic to now let A drive baseline, go up for a reverse lay-up or reverse jam, and completely splatter a stationary secondary defender under the hoop to draw the blocking foul.

How else is a secondary defender supposed to stop that drive?

That is not what the NCAA is saying. All they are saying is that there is a 2x2 sf box where the secondary defender cannot set up.

The play you are talking about can still draw a charge if the defense is, basically, clear of the cylinder. If the defense is just outside this box then the charge can be drawn. You just can't establish LGP while under the basket.

This will help prevent unsafe situations and REQUIRE the officials to make a call.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

That is not what the NCAA is saying. All they are saying is that there is a 2x2 sf box where the secondary defender cannot set up.

The play you are talking about can still draw a charge if the defense is, basically, clear of the cylinder. If the defense is just outside this box then the charge can be drawn. You just can't establish LGP while under the basket.

This will help prevent unsafe situations and REQUIRE the officials to make a call.

The issue is that the NBA variation of this rule has never affected baseline drives. Their reason is that being under the basket, even directly under it, is a legitamate defensive position for defending the reverse layup. It takes away the offense's path to the point where they'd prefer to take the shot where it doesn't do so for drives from points not along the baseline (it is a spot after the release of the shot).

[Tio]

The reason the NCAA did not adopt the exact NBA rule is that there is a 2-3 year notice they need to give schools to make the proper markings on their court. If the committee is happy with the new rule, I wouldn't be surprised to see the markings in the necessary 2-3 year timeframe.

The region is much smaller in NCAA (literally the area under the cylinder), so that could have been a factor as well.

This new rule defeats the initiative 2 years ago where a POE was to call charges anywhere on the court especially under the hoop. Funny how things change so quickly.

[amusedofficial]

In establishing position in any outnumbering fast break situation, a player may not establish initial legal guarding position under the basket since there is no primary defender.

This may be the single stupidest statement in the history of basketball. If it's a three on two break, you can't have LGP under the basket? A fast-breaking guard can now drop her shoulder, bang into a big who has established position underneath and get two from the line? How can you have a rule that creates the concept of legal guarding position and then say "wait, it doesn't count based on where the players involved in the contact were several steps before contact, because the principle of advantage/disadvantage doesn't apply in our Special Unmarked Area Of Magical Powers?"

But then, I thought (and still think) the three-point shot is as bad an idea as the designated hitter for the pitcher

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by amusedofficial

[FONT=Times New Roman][B][SIZE=3][FONT=Calibri] A fast-breaking guard can now drop her shoulder,

No, that can't happen.

This is a NCAAM change only.

[eyezen]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

No, that can't happen.

This is a NCAAM change only.

Well played, sir.