NCAA Secondary Defender - rule change

[Tio]

New Rule. A secondary defender may not establish initial legal guarding position under the basket when playing a player who is in control of the ball (i.e., dribbling or shooting) or who has released the ball for a pass or try for goal. A secondary defender is a teammate who has helped a primary defender who has been beaten by an opponent because he failed to establish or maintain a guarding position. “Under the basket” is defined as from the front and side of the ring to the front of the backboard. A player is considered under the basket when any part of either foot is in this area. (Note: An approved ruling will indicate that a player straddling this area is considered to be under the basket.)

In establishing position in any outnumbering fast break situation, a player may not establish initial legal guarding position under the basket since there is no primary defender.

In both cases, when illegal contact occurs, such contact shall be called a blocking foul, unless the contact is intentional or flagrant.

Rationale: The committee is responding to overwhelming concern from the membership regarding contact under the basket. After some consideration of a restricted arc, the committee decided that court markings were not needed, but changed its rule in reference to secondary player establishing initial guarding position under the basket.

How is everyone planning to handle this new rule? I think this will require the lead to be primary whistle on all block/charges on secondary defenders (this may already be the case for many of us). Thoughts?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Don't get me started on this rule change because it was adopted by people who do NOT have a clue about the game of basketball and why the definitions of guarding and screening are written the way they are. From the very first time I read the rule change I have been doing a slow burn and would love to knock the heads together of every yahoo on the Rules Committee that voted for the change.

MTD, Sr.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Don't get me started on this rule change because it was adopted by people who do NOT have a clue about the game of basketball and why the definitions of guarding and screening are written the way they are. From the very first time I read the rule change I have been doing a slow burn and would love to knock the heads together of every yahoo on the Rules Committee that voted for the change.

C'mon Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Tell us what you really think.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Tio

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How is everyone planning to handle this new rule? I think this will require the lead to be primary whistle on all block/charges on secondary defenders (this may already be the case for many of us). Thoughts?

Rantings about whether this "new" rule is good or bad aside, the L should have the call on a secondary defender sliding in on a drive to the bucket. How else have you been doing it Tio???

Originally Posted by BillyMac

C'mon Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Tell us what you really think.

BillyMac, has Mark ever held back on us?

[Tio]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Rantings about whether this "new" rule is good or bad aside, the L should have the call on a secondary defender sliding in on a drive to the bucket. How else have you been doing it Tio???

The lead has the best chance to get it right. Some officials still think they get first crack if the drive comes from their area even on a secondary defender. I don't like this because 1. There is no way the outside official is able to see the whole play on the legal guarding position of the secondary defender. 2. Now with the new rule, the lead is really the only one who can make a determination on whether the defender was under the cylinder. Crews that trust each other will be fine with the new rule, crews that don't will be in trouble.

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by Tio

The lead has the best chance to get it right. Some officials still think they get first crack if the drive comes from their area even on a secondary defender. I don't like this because 1. There is no way the outside official is able to see the whole play on the legal guarding position of the secondary defender. 2. Now with the new rule, the lead is really the only one who can make a determination on whether the defender was under the cylinder. Crews that trust each other will be fine with the new rule, crews that don't will be in trouble.

I see some blarges coming!!!!!

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

The secondary defender is the L's responsiblity in both 2- and 3-man crews.

MTD, Sr.

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by IREFU2

I see some blarges coming!!!!!

Why? If the lead calls a block and the slot or Trail call charge, wouldn't everything be trumped if the Lead says "He's in the Restricted Area."

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

Why? If the lead calls a block and the slot or Trail call charge, wouldn't everything be trumped if the Lead says "He's in the Restricted Area."

No. You still have to determine if it is a secondary defender or not....at precisely what time does a defender become one or the other. There is a point at which a secondary defender becomes the primary defender.

And exactly where is this area? Without it being marked, there is going to be a lot of inconsistency. That is why the NBA eventually marked it. And if they can't get their crews to get it right without marking it, how to you think college guys (at all levels) will get it right.

[icallfouls]

The NCAA diagram for this season.

https://www.eofficials.com/ESO_Repos...rt_Diagram.pdf

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

The NCAA diagram for this season.

https://www.eofficials.com/ESO_Repos...rt_Diagram.pdf

That is what I thought the description was saying...and the picture makes it clear. However, without a precise marking on the floor, it will be a gray area and some officials will still not call a charge even if the player is a foot or even three outside that "box" with the claim that the player was "under the basket"...as they already do.

[icallfouls]

here is the rule and rationale for it as well as the rationale for not having it marked on the floor

New Rule. A secondary defender may not establish initial legal guarding position under the basket when playing a player who is in control of the ball (i.e., dribbling or shooting) or who has released the ball for a pass or try for goal. A secondary defender is a teammate who has helped a primary defender who has been beaten by an opponent because he failed to establish or maintain a guarding position. “Under the basket” is defined as from the front and side of the ring to the front of the backboard. A player is considered under the basket when any part of either foot is in this area. (Note: An approved ruling will indicate that a player straddling this area is considered to be under the basket.)


In establishing position in any outnumbering fast break situation, a player may not establish initial legal guarding position under the basket since there is no primary defender.


In both cases, when illegal contact occurs, such contact shall be called a blocking foul, unless the contact is intentional or flagrant.

Rationale:The committee is responding to overwhelming concern from the membership regarding contact under the basket. After some consideration of a restricted arc, the committee decided that court markings were not needed, but changed its rule in reference to secondary player establishing initial guarding position under the basket.

[Jesse James]

While the committee explains their rationale, could they also explain the logic to now let A drive baseline, go up for a reverse lay-up or reverse jam, and completely splatter a stationary secondary defender under the hoop to draw the blocking foul.

How else is a secondary defender supposed to stop that drive?

[icallfouls]

Originally Posted by Jesse James

While the committee explains their rationale, could they also explain the logic to now let A drive baseline, go up for a reverse lay-up or reverse jam, and completely splatter a stationary secondary defender under the hoop to draw the blocking foul.

How else is a secondary defender supposed to stop that drive?

That is not what the NCAA is saying. All they are saying is that there is a 2x2 sf box where the secondary defender cannot set up.

The play you are talking about can still draw a charge if the defense is, basically, clear of the cylinder. If the defense is just outside this box then the charge can be drawn. You just can't establish LGP while under the basket.

This will help prevent unsafe situations and REQUIRE the officials to make a call.