Fed vs NCAA Womens rules differences

[Nevadaref]

Intentional fouls are the same as NFHS.

TFs are more complicated at the NCAA level because ones given for unsporting behavior are administered right away and then the game resumes at the POI.

It is easier to compare NCAAW TFs to NFHS TFs, than to note the differences with the mens side. The men also use different terminology. (Class A and Class B, instead of direct and indirect)

I need to get some dinner, but I'll come back later and write a little more on this topic.

[David]

Blood on uniform.
NF - timeout required to stay in game.
NCAAW - 20 seconds is allowed to resolve issue before a timeout is required.

Free throw positions and restrictions.
NF - enter lane when the ball hits rim or backboard or clearly misses. Except for the two defenders in the bottom blocks, players may slide to unoccupied spots.
NCAAW - enter lane when the shot is released. Neither offense nor defense can occupy positions designated for the other team.

Granting timeouts.
NF - anytime there is player control.
NCAAW - not allowed when an airborne player’s momentum is carrying her out of bounds or into the backcourt.

Technical foul shooters.
NF - can switch shooters between each shot of a 2-shot technical foul.
NCAAW - the same shooter must shoot both shots.

Throwin location.
NF - after a technical foul that is not a double foul, ball is put in play at the division line opposite the table.
NCAAW - after a flagrant technical foul, ball is put in play at the division line on either side of the court. After an excessive timeout, ball is put in play at point of interruption by the other team (loss of possession).

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by David

Blood on uniform.
NF - timeout required to stay in game.
NCAAW - 20 seconds is allowed to resolve issue before a timeout is required.

Free throw positions and restrictions.
NF - enter lane when the ball hits rim or backboard or clearly misses. Except for the two defenders in the bottom blocks, players may slide to unoccupied spots.
NCAAW - enter lane when the shot is released. Neither offense nor defense can occupy positions designated for the other team.

Granting timeouts.
NF - anytime there is player control.
NCAAW - not allowed when an airborne player’s momentum is carrying her out of bounds or into the backcourt.

Technical foul shooters.
NF - can switch shooters between each shot of a 2-shot technical foul.
NCAAW - the same shooter must shoot both shots.

Throwin location.
NF - after a technical foul that is not a double foul, ball is put in play at the division line opposite the table.
NCAAW - after a flagrant technical foul, ball is put in play at the division line on either side of the court. After an excessive timeout, ball is put in play at point of interruption by the other team (loss of possession).

Hello, David:

Appreciate you delving into the more esoteric differences.
As to FT administation, do the NFHS 'Let it hit' dictates apply to other players not in marked lane spaces?

Thanks

[BillyMac]

NFHS & NCAA 2008-09 MAJOR BASKETBALL MECHANICS DIFFERENCES

http://www.nfhs.org/core/contentmana...erences_08.pdf

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I'm thinking No. 1 son already has one or will be getting one when it's available since he is working NCAA-W games this season.

Confucius say, "No man is poor who has worthy son." (Charlie Chan At The Race Track, 1936)

[David]

For the shooter and the players outside the 3-point line and the free throw line extended the restrictions are the same in both NF and NCAA. They have to wait until the ball hits the basket or the shot has missed before going for the rebound.

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by justacoach

No. 1 son will be doing women's college games this season. Aside from closely guarded and shot clock, what are thr main differences vis-a-vis Fed???

TIA

If you look in the back of the Fed Rule Book, you will see the differences. But I would definately get a CCA Manual as other have suggested.

[VACaller]

Originally Posted by David

Blood on uniform.
NF - timeout required to stay in game.
NCAAW - 20 seconds is allowed to resolve issue before a timeout is required.

Free throw positions and restrictions.
NF - enter lane when the ball hits rim or backboard or clearly misses. [I]Except for the two defenders in the bottom blocks, players may slide to unoccupied spots.[/I]NCAAW - enter lane when the shot is released. Neither offense nor defense can occupy positions designated for the other team.

Granting timeouts.
NF - anytime there is player control.
NCAAW - not allowed when an airborne player’s momentum is carrying her out of bounds or into the backcourt.

Technical foul shooters.
NF - can switch shooters between each shot of a 2-shot technical foul.
NCAAW - the same shooter must shoot both shots.

Throwin location.
NF - after a technical foul that is not a double foul, ball is put in play at the division line opposite the table.
NCAAW - after a flagrant technical foul, ball is put in play at the division line on either side of the court. After an excessive timeout, ball is put in play at point of interruption by the other team (loss of possession).

Just to clarify...NF F/T rules don't allow opponents to occupy each other's vacant spots. I think R. 8, A. 4. f. may confuse some, but it states "within the limitations in this rule". So that means Player A2 can move to a vacant spot that his team can legally occupy, not into a team B spot.

[love2refbball]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

There is also no ten-second count in the backcourt.

Other than way that technical fouls work at the NCAA level, there aren't many differences in the NCAAW rules and the NFHS rules.
The biggest transition will be to the signals and mechanics. Even the PCAs are different.

One other rule difference which jumps out to me is that a blarge does not result in a double foul. The officials get together and go with the call made from the primary official.

Really??? do you have a rule reference for this???

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by VACaller

Just to clarify...NF F/T rules don't allow opponents to occupy each other's vacant spots. I think R. 8, A. 4. f. may confuse some, but it states "within the limitations in this rule". So that means Player A2 can move to a vacant spot that his team can legally occupy, not into a team B spot.

Not true. There's a specific case play where A legally takes one of B's spots that B doesn't want.

In NCAA, the team is restricted to its own spots.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by love2refbball

Really??? do you have a rule reference for this???

NCAA A.R.172.
A1 drives to the basket and:
(1) The referee calls a player-control foul and an umpire calls a
block; or
(2) The referee calls a charge and an umpire calls a block.
RULING: This is uncharacteristic of a double personal foul where
one official adjudicates the obviously committed fouls against two op
ponents. (Men) In (1) and (2), the two officials disagree that the fouls
occurred simultaneously. In (1), the ball shall be awarded to Team A,
the team in control, at the point of interruption with no reset of the
shot clock.
(Rule 2-11.7.f, 7-4.1.d and 7-5.8)
In (2), the two officials disagree as to whether there was a charge
or a block, however, the ball was released by A1. Although there is
no team control while a ball is in flight, when the goal is successful,
play shall resume at the point of interruption by awarding the ball to
Team B, the team not credited with the score, at the end line with the
privilege to run the end line. When the try is not successful, play shall
resume at the point of interruption with the use of the alternating
possession arrow and a reset of the shot clock. (Rule 7-5.9)
(Women) In (1) and (2), when the officials signal simultaneously,
they shall get together and agree to give the call to the official who
had the play originate in his/her primary. When the officials disagree
that the fouls occurred simultaneously, they shall determine which
foul occurred first. Once a decision is reached, that foul is reported to
the official scorer and the appropriate penalty is assessed.
(Rule 4-9, 4-10, 4-29 and 4-35.1)

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Not true. There's a specific case play where A legally takes one of B's spots that B doesn't want.

In NCAA, the team is restricted to its own spots.

To clarify, in NCAA-W there is a restriction, not so in NCAA-M.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by VACaller

Just to clarify...NF F/T rules don't allow opponents to occupy each other's vacant spots. I think R. 8, A. 4. f. may confuse some, but it states "within the limitations in this rule". So that means Player A2 can move to a vacant spot that his team can legally occupy, not into a team B spot.

Hi, welcome to the forum. It's nice to have another new poster here.
If you are willing to listen to what the veterans say, you will learn a great deal.

Unfortunately, you are dead wrong in your current belief of NFHS FT marked lane space restrictions. Here is the appropriate case play:

8.1.4 SITUATION: A1 is at the free-throw line for the first attempt of a bonus
situation. In (a), two Team B and two Team A players occupy the first and second
marked lane spaces, respectively. B3 occupies one of the third marked lane
spaces. A3 attempts to occupy the vacant third marked lane space; or (b) two
Team B players occupy the first marked lane spaces. The offense chooses not to
occupy any marked lane spaces. Two more Team B players choose to occupy the
second marked lane spaces. RULING: Illegal in (a), A3 is not permitted to occupy
the third marked lane space. Only two offensive players may occupy marked
lane spaces during a free throw. If the improper alignment is not corrected prior
to the thrower having the ball at his/her disposal, a free-throw violation shall be
called on Team A immediately. Legal in (b), four defensive players are permitted
in any of the first three vacant marked lane spaces.

I hope that you stick around, swallow some pride, and get better.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I hope that you stick around, swallow some pride, and get better.

VaCaller, he means "get better" at posting, not officiating.

[Nevadaref]

Or in the rules knowledge department.