Help with a play

[Hugh Refner]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Team A is down three points with just a few seconds left in the game. A1 is chasing a loose ball at the division line. The ball is about to go out of bounds, at the division line, right in front of the table. A1, in a race with defender B1, is able to catch up to the ball, but does so in such an acrobatic, athletic, and contorted manner, that in spinning around, he is only able to shoot the ball:
a) exactly in line with the division line, with the trajectory of the ball toward opposite the table.
b) at an angle such that the trajectory of the ball is toward the backcourt, and therefore, toward Team B's basket.
In both a), and b), B1 fouls A1 during A1's shooting motion. The buzzer ending the fourth period sounds while the ball in in the air in both a), and b). In both a), and b), the ball doesn't enter the basket. Both teams are in the bonus.

What's the theoretical call?

First of all, according to the description, the foul occurs in both instances before the period ends so the foul will be administered. If, in the opinion of the official, it was a legitimate shot attempt (and the poster uses the term "shooting motion", so by definition it seems there was a shot attempt), three free throws will be taken. However, if, in the opinion of the official, there was not a legitimate shot attempt, then a one and one situation exists and will be administered. Notice the poster said "bonus", not "double bonus".

My guess is the purpose of the post is to start a discussion on whether the decision to determine if a foul was a shooting foul or not is dependent on the action of the ball handler or the subsequent result of the flight and/or action of the ball. It's the action of the ball handler. If they are fouled while performing action that normally leads to the release of a shot, it's a shooting foul. That's pretty basic.

[budjones05]

A1 shoots the bonus, the foul causes the ball to be dead. It's the same thing

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by budjones05

A1 shoots the bonus, the foul causes the ball to be dead. It's the same thing

Even if team A isn't in the bonus?

[budjones05]

If Team A is in the bonus, we shoot the bonus. If Team A is not in the bonus, the ball will given at the spot near where the foul occurs however it's the end of the 4th quarter, team b wins by 3

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Hugh Refner

My guess is the purpose of the post is to start a discussion on whether the decision to determine if a foul was a shooting foul or not is dependent on the action of the ball handler or the subsequent result of the flight and/or action of the ball. It's the action of the ball handler. If they are fouled while performing action that normally leads to the release of a shot, it's a shooting foul. That's pretty basic.

Even if he's shooting at the wrong basket?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Even if he's shooting at the wrong basket?

Billy, the way the post was worded made me think the foul affected the shot direction. You'd have to judge the player's intent.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Billy, the way the post was worded made me think the foul affected the shot direction. You'd have to judge the player's intent.

Wow, a 60ft change in direction!!!

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

You'd have to judge the player's intent.

His intent was very simple, to shoot the ball into his own basket before he want out of bounds, and before the buzzer sounded. That was his intent, however, in making such an athletic save, and contorting himself to spin around, he inadvertently (he wasn't confused as in the case play) shot the ball toward the wrong basket. Note that to make the play less confusing, I edited my post to show that the shooter was fouled after the release of the ball, but before he returned to the floor, so the direction of the shot was not affected by the foul by B1, yet, per rule, A1 was still in the act of shooting.

What's the theoretical call? Really. It's the off-season and I need my interpretation fix.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

His intent was very simple, to shoot the ball into his own basket before he want out of bounds, and before the buzzer sounded. That was his intent, however, in making such an athletic save, and contorting himself to spin around, he inadvertently (he wasn't confused as in the case play) shot the ball toward the wrong basket. Note that to make the play less confusing, I edited my post to show that the shooter was fouled after the release of the ball, but before he returned to the floor, so the direction of the shot was not affected by the foul by B1, yet, per rule, A1 was still in the act of shooting.

What's the theoretical call? Really. It's the off-season and I need my interpretation fix.

Every player who shoots at the wrong basket does so thinking it's the correct basket. Common foul if it's obvious his intent was to shoot toward the opponent's basket.

[Johnny Ringo]

if A1 throws the ball at Team Bs basket from behind the 3-point line and it goes in ... this only counts as two points correct?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

if A1 throws the ball at Team Bs basket from behind the 3-point line and it goes in ... this only counts as two points correct?

correct