Help with a play

[budjones05]

We were discussing this play at camp, and I wanted to see what you will say.


A1 shoots a shot behind the 3 point line and the ball is made into Team B's basket. A1 is fouled on the shot by B1. What do you do?

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by budjones05

We were discussing this play at camp, and I wanted to see what you will say.


A1 shoots a shot behind the 3 point line and the ball is made into Team B's basket. A1 is fouled on the shot by B1. What do you do?

cancel the goal, you will award A1 three shots for the foul.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by truerookie

cancel the goal, you will award A1 three shots for the foul.

The part in red is wrong. It's not a shooting foul, so you will only award bonus free throws, if appropriate. If not in the bonus, throwin for team A.

[FBullock]

Concur, No basket and no shoots unless A in bonus or foul ruled flagrant or intentional or excessive contact.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by budjones05

We were discussing this play at camp, and I wanted to see what you will say.


A1 shoots a shot behind the 3 point line and the ball is made into Team B's basket. A1 is fouled on the shot by B1. What do you do?

Come on Bud, you know this was an easy one. It was not a try so it would be a common foul.

[grunewar]

Concur w/ Snaqs, FB, and BNR.

Case Book play 4.41.2.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

It was not a try so it would be a common foul.

True. But you have to admit, in layman's terms, not rules-speak, it's a very uncommon foul.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Case Book play 4.41.2.

4.41.2 SITUATION: A1 becomes confused and throws the ball at the wrong basket. A1 is fouled by B1 and the ball goes into the basket. Is this a successful basket? If A1 missed, would A1 be awarded two free throws for the foul by B1? RULING: No goal. The ball became dead when the foul occurred. When a player throws at the opponent’s basket, it is not a try. If the team is in the bonus when B1 fouled A1, A1 is given either a one-and-one attempt or two free throws at Team A’s basket. If Team A was not in the bonus, then the ball is awarded to Team A for a throw-in at the out-of-bounds spot nearest the foul. (7-5-4a)

[BillyMac]

Team A is down three points with just a few seconds left in the game. A1 is chasing a loose ball at the division line. The ball is about to go out of bounds, at the division line, right in front of the table. A1, in a race with defender B1, is able to catch up to the ball, but does so in such an acrobatic, athletic, and contorted manner, that in spinning around, he is only able to shoot the ball:
a) exactly in line with the division line, with the trajectory of the ball toward opposite the table.
b) at an angle such that the trajectory of the ball is toward the backcourt, and therefore, toward Team B's basket.
In both a), and b), B1 fouls A1 before A1 returns to the floor after A1's shooting motion. The buzzer ending the fourth period sounds while the ball in in the air in both a), and b). In both a), and b), the ball doesn't enter the basket. Both teams are in the bonus.

What's the theoretical call?

[budjones05]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Come on Bud, you know this was an easy one. It was not a try so it would be a common foul.

You know I knew it, just wanted to see if you did,

[Hugh Refner]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Team A is down three points with just a few seconds left in the game. A1 is chasing a loose ball at the division line. The ball is about to go out of bounds, at the division line, right in front of the table. A1, in a race with defender B1, is able to catch up to the ball, but does so in such an acrobatic, athletic, and contorted manner, that in spinning around, he is only able to shoot the ball:
a) exactly in line with the division line, with the trajectory of the ball toward opposite the table.
b) at an angle such that the trajectory of the ball is toward the backcourt, and therefore, toward Team B's basket.
In both a), and b), B1 fouls A1 during A1's shooting motion. The buzzer ending the fourth period sounds while the ball in in the air in both a), and b). In both a), and b), the ball doesn't enter the basket. Both teams are in the bonus.

What's the theoretical call?

First of all, according to the description, the foul occurs in both instances before the period ends so the foul will be administered. If, in the opinion of the official, it was a legitimate shot attempt (and the poster uses the term "shooting motion", so by definition it seems there was a shot attempt), three free throws will be taken. However, if, in the opinion of the official, there was not a legitimate shot attempt, then a one and one situation exists and will be administered. Notice the poster said "bonus", not "double bonus".

My guess is the purpose of the post is to start a discussion on whether the decision to determine if a foul was a shooting foul or not is dependent on the action of the ball handler or the subsequent result of the flight and/or action of the ball. It's the action of the ball handler. If they are fouled while performing action that normally leads to the release of a shot, it's a shooting foul. That's pretty basic.

[budjones05]

A1 shoots the bonus, the foul causes the ball to be dead. It's the same thing

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by budjones05

A1 shoots the bonus, the foul causes the ball to be dead. It's the same thing

Even if team A isn't in the bonus?

[budjones05]

If Team A is in the bonus, we shoot the bonus. If Team A is not in the bonus, the ball will given at the spot near where the foul occurs however it's the end of the 4th quarter, team b wins by 3

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Hugh Refner

My guess is the purpose of the post is to start a discussion on whether the decision to determine if a foul was a shooting foul or not is dependent on the action of the ball handler or the subsequent result of the flight and/or action of the ball. It's the action of the ball handler. If they are fouled while performing action that normally leads to the release of a shot, it's a shooting foul. That's pretty basic.

Even if he's shooting at the wrong basket?