To reach or not reach

[Smitty]

No worries. I am a little cranky today it seems. I apologize. I wish you luck with your development.

I think your second post was much more informative of the situation than your original post. Based on your original post, I would stand by my first answer.

The travel is a tough one if you think your partner truly missed it. I will let a travel go most of the time out of my area unless it's in the paint where my partner is clearly screened. Most of the time.

I would have been curious what your partner would have said about the other play - that seems like a much more interesting one. Guess we'll never know.

The only reason I commented on your boasting (or apparent boasting) is because from observation, I get the impression that college officials in general think they are superior to HS officials. I just hope you don't let it go to your head as you move up the ranks. Best of luck to you.

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by Smitty

I will let a travel go most of the time out of my area unless it's in the paint where my partner is clearly screened. Most of the time.

Really? The only time I let anything go is a) if it's out of my area and I'm not 100% sure of the call or b) it's blatantly out of my area and/or sightline and there's no reason I should be looking there in the first place, because I'm gonna get a rash of crap from a coach as to why I'm not paying attention to my primary and I won't be able to give him a good reason.

One of the first games I ever did, I was lead about two feet off the lane line. The ball went from my primary to the other side of the court, then down to the baseline opposite me. The two players I was watching went down into the lane. As my head turned to follow them, I saw the person with the ball blatantly travel. My head was turned that direction because of the players I was following, I waited a split second to see if my partner would call it. He didn't, so I picked it up.

He gave me a rash of crap about "don't call outside your primary." If I had known what I know now, I wouldn't have taken the lecture from him, and would have told him "I call what I see. It's called the PRIMARY for a reason." But, I would've pre-gamed it with him anyway.

This is one of the main parts of my pre-game. I tell my partners "I don't want you to go looking for things in my primary just to look, but if you see something I don't, go get it. I'll do the same for you. This isn't a whistle-blowing ego contest. We're out there to call what we see."

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by fiasco

Really? The only time I let anything go is a) if it's out of my area and I'm not 100% sure of the call or b) it's blatantly out of my area and/or sightline and there's no reason I should be looking there in the first place, because I'm gonna get a rash of crap from a coach as to why I'm not paying attention to my primary and I won't be able to give him a good reason.

I agree with this completely.

[referee99]

ch1,
so, what did you do in the two instances in front of your veteran partner?
what was their reaction and feedback?

Originally Posted by referee99

ch1,
so, what did you do in the two instances in front of your veteran partner?
what was their reaction and feedback?

See paragraph 2 of post #7

[Hugh Refner]

Originally Posted by fiasco

Really? The only time I let anything go is a) if it's out of my area and I'm not 100% sure of the call or b) it's blatantly out of my area and/or sightline and there's no reason I should be looking there in the first place, because I'm gonna get a rash of crap from a coach as to why I'm not paying attention to my primary and I won't be able to give him a good reason.

I agree with A and also agree with B except the part about the reason for not looking there is because of fear of what some coach might say. That's never a part of my decision making process.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Hugh Refner

I agree with A and also agree with B except the part about the reason for not looking there is because of fear of what some coach might say. That's never a part of my decision making process.

Right, for me, the process of breaking myself of the horrible ball watching habit has been learning not to call what I see when it's in front of my partner. I have made too many phantom travel calls from 35 feet away.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Yes, we want to get the call correct. BUT, remember: 1) Stay true to your boundary lines; 2) Officiate your primary; and 3) TRUST your partner(s).


Yes, there are times when an official should extend his primary but 99.999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999 ,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,9 99,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999 ,999,999,999,999,999...% of the time it should be off ball coverage in the same area that your partner has on ball coverage.


AND, DO NOT be a ball watcher.

MTD, Sr.


P.S. I delveloped a great training aid for officials who want to watch the ball and make calls on the ball out of their primary. It involves electrodes and a heavy duty marine battery, .

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

99.999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999 ,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,9 99,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999 ,999,999,999,999,999%

Wow. That's higher than Ivory soap, 99 44/100 %.

[Raymond]

I would really, really love for Tomegun to chime in on this topic.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Wow. That's higher than Ivory soap, 99 44/100 %.

Billy:

Ivory Soap isn't the only thing that floats, .

MTD, Sr.

[rockyroad]

The bottom line here - imho - is that if you see something that needs to be called to keep the game from going down the toilet, then call it for God's sake. If one of your partners gets all bent because it was "in my primary", then you can discuss it later. He/she probably won't change their point of view, (as fiasco said, that's an ego problem on their part), but you know you did what was best for the game. I learned long ago that the pyramid starts with 1)Protect the integrity of the game.

And MTD, Sr., I think maybe you are overreacting just a little bit (well, actually a lot). The way I read this thread, I don't see fiasco saying that he does this "fishing in your pond" on a regular basis. If that's the case, then sure there is a problem. But with your lengthy career, you know good and well that there are times when you have seen something happen in a partner's primary, and you thought "Holy sh!t!!" and you have made that call. And if the partner was upset, you discussed it later. You made that call because it was 1)the right call, 2)at the right time, 3)for the right reason. Even though it wasn't in your primary area.

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by Hugh Refner

I agree with A and also agree with B except the part about the reason for not looking there is because of fear of what some coach might say. That's never a part of my decision making process.

It has nothing to do with fear. It has to do with the coach being right.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by fiasco

It has nothing to do with fear. It has to do with the coach being right.

Uh-oh. One game suspension for using the words "coach", "being" and "right" in the same sentence.

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Uh-oh. One game suspension for using the words "coach", "being" and "right" in the same sentence.

To each his/her own. I prefer to operate in the real world, where officials make mistakes and where coaches are *GASP* sometimes right.