Odd situation from my last tournament.

[jeffpea]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Well, how many lessons can we take from this fine fellow? While officiating:

1. Don't confront coaches based on what you thought you might have heard.

2. Don't issue warnings in the form of a conditional ("If you X, then I'm ejecting you.").

3. Don't argue.

4. Don't accuse anyone of lying.

5. Don't ever threaten.

Any others?

6. Don't ask for a conference w/ all three officials and the opposing head coach and embarass one person in front of the whole group....what do you expect to happen? do you think the official in question will feel good about that?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jeffpea

6. Don't ask for a conference w/ all three officials and the opposing head coach and embarass one person in front of the whole group....what do you expect to happen? do you think the official in question will feel good about that?

Frankly, I think the official had it coming here; and his feelings don't matter at this point. He just called the coach a liar with no basis. Frankly, I'd like to think my response would have been as measured as the coach's was here.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Frankly, I think the official had it coming here; and his feelings don't matter at this point. He just called the coach a liar with no basis. Frankly, I'd like to think my response would have been as measured as the coach's was here.

All true, but the coach would run the risk of further angering the official, who has already demonstrated less than ideal ability to hear and understand what he's heard. This could easily lead that official to seek revenge....perhaps tossing the coach for something not at all justified....perhaps for telling his team to run a 2-1-2 zone defense....choosing to hear that as "You're a G...D... M..... F...... ".

The only thing that seems to have prevented that is it appears the other two refs took the guy to mid-court gave him a few "suggestions" before resuming.

[CoachCER]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

All true, but the coach would run the risk of further angering the official, who has already demonstrated less than ideal ability to hear and understand what he's heard. This could easily lead that official to seek revenge....perhaps tossing the coach for something not at all justified....perhaps for telling his team to run a 2-1-2 zone defense....choosing to hear that as "You're a G...D... M..... F...... ".

The only thing that seems to have prevented that is it appears the other two refs took the guy to mid-court gave him a few "suggestions" before resuming.

I thought about that before requesting the conference. However, I was already concerned that was a distinct possibility, and I thought the best way to prevent any further incident was to 1.) Give him a chance to hear his partner state what was said earlier, and 2.) Give the other two a heads up that there was an issue between me and ref #3, and that I was trying to diffuse it.

[Texas Aggie]

I had something with some similarities happen in football last year. Late in the game with the V behind, H had the ball on their ~40. The clock was running and V's coaches were yelling out signals. My HL thought he heard a TO call and stopped the clock and I (the R), anticipating some time outs, started to give the signal to the box when the coaches start yelling that they didn't call the TO but yelled something that might sound like that as a signal to their players. I immediately blew my whistle and yelled, "no time out, let's play ball" and got the offense back into their formation. I then blew the ready and wound the clock, so in fact, the Home team got an 8-10 second advantage as it turned out.

We finished the game (H won) and in the locker room, one of the crew members (not the HL) INSISTED that he heard the TO. He was adamant that it happened and said I was mistaken to not stick them with it. I said that the coaches' response was very quick and due to the look on their faces seemed reasonable, so I surmised they didn't call timeout. After a 5 minute discussion when even the HL is insisting they didn't call TO but HE made the mistake, the BJ won't let it go, so I did.

There are people that don't believe anyone but their own idiotic self.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

My HL thought he heard a TO call and stopped the clock and I (the R), anticipating some time outs, started to give the signal to the box when the coaches start yelling that they didn't call the TO but yelled something that might sound like that as a signal to their players.

I know just what you mean. I can't tell you how many games I've worked in which teams called out plays like "five out", etc. It can drive ya nuts.

[CoachCER]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

I know just what you mean. I can't tell you how many games I've worked in which teams called out plays like "five out", etc. It can drive ya nuts.

LOL! One of the first things we go over with our new coaches is to never, ever name a play using the word "out", or anything even close.

[tomegun]

I think the coach handled this situation as good as he could. If he didn't do anything, he had already basically been threatened and was on this ice. By calling the official out, be at least brought some integrity to the situation and put everyone on notice concerning a potential problem.

I would have asked my partner(s) what the coach said before approaching the coach. Also, I think the coach should have told the official to take his hands off of him as soon as the conversation went south.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

I know just what you mean. I can't tell you how many games I've worked in which teams called out plays like "five out", etc. It can drive ya nuts.

Didn't the NFHS come out with a recent interpretation of this situation?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Didn't the NFHS come out with a recent interpretation of this situation?

5.8.3 SITUATION E: A1 is dribbling the ball in his/her backcourt when the Team A head coach is yelling "side out" offensive instructions to his/her team and the official stops play believing the coach requested a timeout.

RULING:An accidental whistle has occurred. Team A was not requesting a time-out, and therefore, should not be granted or charged with one. Play is resumed at the point of interruption.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by jeffpea

6. Don't ask for a conference w/ all three officials and the opposing head coach and embarass one person in front of the whole group....what do you expect to happen? do you think the official in question will feel good about that?

And what would your advice for the coach have been?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

And what would your advice for the coach have been?

Same as the rogue official's advice; an implied, "shut up, coach."