5 point play????

[CoachCER]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

I had something similar to MTD's situation about 3 years ago. Team A was up by 3 with less than 10 seconds to go. They decide to foul B1, who had the ball, and was a good 3 point shooter. Actually, I've seen this strategy work before. This time, however, they ran up and just pushed him in the back as he let the ball fly. It went in, my partner called an intentional and coach A ran out on the court to protest, throwing his clipboard as he did so. I T'd him up and he then went back to the bench and kicked it! Another T and buh-bye.

Team B got 3 points for the shot and then they made all six free throws (two for the intentional and four for the two T's) for what amounted to a nine point play so they were up by six. However, they violated on the inbound play and team A got the ball back. A1 hit a 3 pointer and was fouled (a really dumb play by team B) with two seconds left. He made the free throw ( I thought he might intentionally miss, but he didn't) but team B was able to inbound and avoided being fouled until the horn went off. They won by only two. It was probably the weirdest finish I've had in the past five years.

This talk of 5 and 7 point plays reminds me of the most bizarre call I ever saw a referee make. This was 5th grade boys rec in a local school league. The league commissioner swore up and down these were "certified" referees, but I have no idea where they dug these guys up from.
I was watching one of my AAU players in a game when I saw the following unfold:

A1 makes a steal, and is driving for the basket. B1 catches up to him at around the foul ine, and essentially tackles him from behind. The whistle blows, and I am thinking intentional foul, 2 shots and the ball.
Oh, how wrong I was.

The ref signals intentional foul. He then signals to count the basket. Note: no shot was taken. The scorekeeper and both coaches disagree, but he insists.
Okay. I am feeling a little queasy, as I think the fun just may be starting.

Now, player A1 is sent to the line for two foul shots. He makes both.
The referee requests another shooter from team A. Why, asks coach A? To shoot the foul shots for the intentional. What were those we just shot? The shots for the shooting foul.

Both coaches are stunned, and my head is starting to hurt.

Coach A finally sends A1 to the line. No can do. Mr. Referee informs all parties that the player intentionally fouled cannot shoot the foul shots.

The coaches are past stunned, and I have a nosebleed.

Player A2 makes both. The ball is given to A on the side, which was one of the few things he got right.

I took that league over a few years later as part of my junior program. The first thing I did was fire that "association".

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by CoachCER

The league commissioner swore up and down these were "certified" referees, but I have no idea where they dug these guys up from.

Was there only one official? Sounds like it. I'm sure that if there were two, you would have spoken with the other one.

Something just dawned on me. Maybe this league played by FEEBLE rules?

[eg-italy]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Something just dawned on me. Maybe this league played by FEEBLE rules?

No, we have only one shot for a U foul, if the basket is counted.

Ciao

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by eg-italy

No, we have only one shot for a U foul, if the basket is counted.

Ciao

What's a "U foul"? "Ugly"?

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

What's a "U foul"? "Ugly"?

I thought that was a "F foul"..."Fugly"

[eg-italy]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

What's a "U foul"? "Ugly"?

I'll propose that reading. Actually it's for "unsportsmanlike" which is too long a word to write in a forum, isn't it?

Simply the FIBA version of intentional. We Europeans like long words.

Ciao

[ref2coach]

Originally Posted by eg-italy

I'll propose that reading. Actually it's for "unsportsmanlike" which is too long a word to write in a forum, isn't it?

Simply the FIBA version of intentional. We Europeans like long words.

Ciao

In my other sport we have "unsporting behavior" we referees abbreviate that as USB. Maybe you could use USML?

[eg-italy]

Originally Posted by ref2coach

In my other sport we have "unsporting behavior" we referees abbreviate that as USB. Maybe you could use USML?

Fouls are recorded in the scoresheet as P (personal, i.e., common), T (you know what this means, don't you? ), U (unsportsmanlike), D (disqualifying) and F (fighting). The number of free throws resulting from the foul is recorded as a subscript to the letter.

U corresponds to Fed's intentional, D to flagrant. The last type is used when a player comes in from the bench during a fight and is consequently ejected. Actually U fouls have not much to do with unsporting behavior, just as intentional fouls with intentionality.

Ciao

[Texas Aggie]

The ref that directed that disaster once called 3 games from a folding chair at halfcourt.

I wouldn't have used a folding chair, but a regular desk chair. I don't like to half-*** anything.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

I wouldn't have used a folding chair, but a regular desk chair. I don't like to half-*** anything.

Actually, I would use a heat-massage rocker recliner. Oh yeah.

BTW - I once got kicked out of Sharper Image for testing their model massage chair! I was only in it for about a minute. I guess they don't like you to get in it face down.

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Actually, I would use a heat-massage rocker recliner. Oh yeah.

BTW - I once got kicked out of Sharper Image for testing their model massage chair! I was only in it for about a minute. I guess they don't like you to get in it face down.

And I'm sure your picture is up at the GNC's that have those massage chair models too.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Actually, I would use a heat-massage rocker recliner. Oh yeah.

BTW - I once got kicked out of Sharper Image for testing their model massage chair! I was only in it for about a minute. I guess they don't like you to get in it face down.

That wasn't it, Skippy. They were mad you took your pants off first.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by CoachCER

The league commissioner swore up and down these were "certified" referees, but I have no idea where they dug these guys up from. The ref signals intentional foul. He then signals to count the basket. Note: no shot was taken... To shoot the foul shots for the intentional. What were those we just shot? The shots for the shooting foul.
Mr. Referee informs all parties that the player intentionally fouled cannot shoot the foul shots. The first thing I did was fire that "association".

Was one of the officials "Old School"?

[A Pennsylvania Coach]

Originally Posted by CoachCER

This talk of 5 and 7 point plays reminds me of the most bizarre call I ever saw a referee make. This was 5th grade boys rec in a local school league. The league commissioner swore up and down these were "certified" referees, but I have no idea where they dug these guys up from.
I was watching one of my AAU players in a game when I saw the following unfold:

A1 makes a steal, and is driving for the basket. B1 catches up to him at around the foul ine, and essentially tackles him from behind. The whistle blows, and I am thinking intentional foul, 2 shots and the ball.
Oh, how wrong I was.

The ref signals intentional foul. He then signals to count the basket. Note: no shot was taken. The scorekeeper and both coaches disagree, but he insists.
Okay. I am feeling a little queasy, as I think the fun just may be starting.

Now, player A1 is sent to the line for two foul shots. He makes both.
The referee requests another shooter from team A. Why, asks coach A? To shoot the foul shots for the intentional. What were those we just shot? The shots for the shooting foul.

Both coaches are stunned, and my head is starting to hurt.

Coach A finally sends A1 to the line. No can do. Mr. Referee informs all parties that the player intentionally fouled cannot shoot the foul shots.

The coaches are past stunned, and I have a nosebleed.

Player A2 makes both. The ball is given to A on the side, which was one of the few things he got right.

I took that league over a few years later as part of my junior program. The first thing I did was fire that "association".

You say "The ball is given to A on the side, which was one of the few things he got right," but as I understand it, an intentional foul was committed at "around the foul line," so the ball should be awarded to A at the spot nearest the foul, which would be on the baseline. So the one thing you think he got right, he actually got wrong!

Originally Posted by A Pennsylvania Coach

You say "The ball is given to A on the side, which was one of the few things he got right," but as I understand it, an intentional foul was committed at "around the foul line," so the ball should be awarded to A at the spot nearest the foul, which would be on the baseline. So the one thing you think he got right, he actually got wrong!

The story he is telling is from the days before the rule change, which is more recent.