NBA playoffs (NBA haters stay away)

[Nevadaref]

For the record, I think that the entire strategy of fouling on purpose is bad for the game and needs to be addressed with a rule change, but the NFHS, NCAA, and obviously the NBA governing bodies disagree with me.

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

I guess you'll have to explain to me how the situation in the original scenario (not the "wrapping up", as you mention in your most recent post) is different from a HS player fouling to stop the clock and force the opponent to shoot a 1-and-1; ...

When FTs will be awarded there is a tangible penalty as the opponent can score. It's debatable whether 1-1 is the right number of FTs to award given the increased impact of the 3pt shot on the game.

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

...or how it's different from a college player fouling near midcourt before the bonus, simply to force the trailing team to inbound the ball again and waste time before getting off a final shot. ...

That's the one that needs to cease. That's blatant unfair play at any level. At the HS and NCAA level, the intentional personal foul can and should be called. I don't know exactly how the NBA handles such, but a simple rule could take care of this unfair tactic.

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

These are both examples of using an "illegal" action -- a foul -- to a strategic advantage. Isn't that what Dallas was trying to do at the end of that game?

In a nutshell that is what I have a serious problem with-- using an illegal action to gain a strategic advantage. It's taking advantage of the rules and we know that the NFHS book says right in the front that a team shouldn't be allowed to gain an advantage not intended by the rules. Does the NBA have a similar provision or statement? That's why it is different. It's not in the spirit of fair play and is clearly against the NFHS philosophy, but it doesn't seem to be against the pro philosophy.

In my opinion, Dallas was trying to cheat, and justice was served when it didn't work out for them.

[ronald]

Well, I have 2 cents and they are not really mine. Last weekend I went to a camp where the instructor was Mr. Ed T. Rush. The other instructor was an NBA observer, and member of the Court Club.

1) Game management by refs means they know they have a foul to give.

2) Get the foul when it occurs.

3) Since the foul occurred (as I recall, correct if wrong) above the free throw line and 3 pt line, we have a freedom of movement foul. It is immediate, no let's see if they can play through it. So ref blew it.

4) Off topic - Official's Grade for 2008 D1 Tournament - 68% That percent is what the crews got. It is not an individual score. You are a team on the court.

5) NBA refs probably average 2 hr pregame, view video of games worked and graded every game. In a league by themselves. The rest of us need to remember what league we are in --the minors.

[bradfordwilkins]

Originally Posted by ronald

Well, I have 2 cents and they are not really mine. Last weekend I went to a camp where the instructor was Mr. Ed T. Rush. The other instructor was an NBA observer, and member of the Court Club.

1) Game management by refs means they know they have a foul to give.

2) Get the foul when it occurs.

3) Since the foul occurred (as I recall, correct if wrong) above the free throw line and 3 pt line, we have a freedom of movement foul. It is immediate, no let's see if they can play through it. So ref blew it.

4) Off topic - Official's Grade for 2008 D1 Tournament - 68% That percent is what the crews got. It is not an individual score. You are a team on the court.

5) NBA refs probably average 2 hr pregame, view video of games worked and graded every game. In a league by themselves. The rest of us need to remember what league we are in --the minors.

Ronald - Do you have any other notes, insights, feedback, etc from this camp? I really wanted to make it down but had a family wedding. I'm doing the Next Level Camp at Villanova which will probably espouse the same ideas, etc so want to know what to look forward to.

Let me know, thanks!!

Fellow Court Club Member,

Brad

[ronald]

bradfordwilkins

I took notes and can share them. Is the appropriate manner to share them in a general discussion or by pm?

I am not a member of the Court but the instructors are.

I have never been to any camp as I am just a JV/rec ball guy.

Biggest tool is video breakdown.

Not good enough to know definitions--must master definitions.

Let me know how to share notes or instructor's insights.

Ron

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by ronald

4) Off topic - Official's Grade for 2008 D1 Tournament - 68% That percent is what the crews got. It is not an individual score. You are a team on the court.

I'm going to repeat myself, because people keep bringing this up. There's no way that's an accurate number. Either the evaluation method was flawed, or the evaluators wanted to make a point and skewed the reviewable plays.

There's no way that even ONE official on each crew missed 32% of his calls in ONE game. So it's inconceivable that 100 of the best officials in the country ALL missed a full third of their calls over the course of 64 games.

I'm nowhere near one of the best 100 officials in the country -- nowhere near -- and I haven't missed 32% of my calls in a game (let alone over the course of 64 games) since I was working 5th grade games.

Until I see every call they charted and see which ones they charted as incorrect, I consider this "study" to be completely non-credible.