NBA playoffs (NBA haters stay away)

[zm1283]

I'm pretty surprised that Artest got a Flagrant 2 in Game 3 against the Lakers. Looked like an intentional to me at worst.

[CLH]

Originally Posted by zm1283

I'm pretty surprised that Artest got a Flagrant 2 in Game 3 against the Lakers. Looked like an intentional to me at worst.

Intentional fouls are not in the NBA rulebook

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by CLH

Intentional fouls are not in the NBA rulebook

My bad. Flagrant 1 then? Maybe I'm not surprised seeing that it was Artest. I just don't think it normally would merit an ejection.

[Nevadaref]

The end of the Mavs/Nuggets game shows in a nutshell everything that is wrong with the NBA.

A team is upset that they committed an illegal act (fouled) on purpose in an attempt to benefit from it and lost when the official didn't reward them by whistling it and opponent was able to play through the contact and make the winning shot despite it.

The "league" is now even publicly stating the officials missed the foul on the play.

So much for competing with honor and actually trying to play good, legal defense against the opponent. Here's an idea, instead of trying to gain an advantage through an illegal act, make a great play and block the shot.

The guys just don't get it.

[JRutledge]

I just saw the replay. I can see why there was no foul called. The defender bounced off the Carmelo and Carmelo continued to play. There could have been a foul called, but there wasn't one called. Life goes on. This is the very reason I stopped watching the NBA on a regular basis for years. Every thing that happens is about whining. And the Dallas Mavericks are at the top of this.

Peace

[grunewar]

NBA admits refs' error that cost Mavericks - NBA - Yahoo! Sports

[canuckrefguy]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

The end of the Mavs/Nuggets game shows in a nutshell everything that is wrong with the NBA.

A team is upset that they committed an illegal act (fouled) on purpose in an attempt to benefit from it and lost when the official didn't reward them by whistling it and opponent was able to play through the contact and make the winning shot despite it.

The "league" is now even publicly stating the officials missed the foul on the play.

So much for competing with honor and actually trying to play good, legal defense against the opponent. Here's an idea, instead of trying to gain an advantage through an illegal act, make a great play and block the shot.

The guys just don't get it.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I just saw the replay. I can see why there was no foul called. The defender bounced off the Carmelo and Carmelo continued to play. There could have been a foul called, but there wasn't one called. Life goes on. This is the very reason I stopped watching the NBA on a regular basis for years. Every thing that happens is about whining. And the Dallas Mavericks are at the top of this.

Peace

No different than a high school game where one team is trying to stop the clock and commits a foul.

Would you have passed on the contact in a HS or college game?

If they were trying to prevent a 3-pt shot and put the guy on the line for FT's - it's a smart play, one that we see at every level.

I agree with the NBA saying there should have been a call. Perhaps it should have been Flagrant-1 (intentional), but still should have been a whistle.

My $0.02

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by canuckrefguy

Would you have passed on the contact in a HS or college game?

If they were trying to prevent a 3-pt shot and put the guy on the line for FT's - it's a smart play, one that we see at every level.

I agree with the NBA saying there should have been a call. Perhaps it should have been Flagrant-1 (intentional), but still should have been a whistle.

My $0.02

Not likely, but then again this was not a typical end of game foul situation. And since the contact did not really affect the play, I might have possibly passed. Not saying I would have actually passed on the play, just saying I understand in a split second why they passed.

Peace

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

If you really believe that, then you have to say that it also shows everything that is wrong with basketball at ALL levels, which might be true. I don't know. But teams at ALL levels strategically foul at the end of games for a few different reasons.

I'm not sure why this shows what's wrong with the NBA.

Originally Posted by canuckrefguy

No different than a high school game where one team is trying to stop the clock and commits a foul.

Would you have passed on the contact in a HS or college game?

If they were trying to prevent a 3-pt shot and put the guy on the line for FT's - it's a smart play, one that we see at every level.

I agree with the NBA saying there should have been a call. Perhaps it should have been Flagrant-1 (intentional), but still should have been a whistle.

My $0.02

I take issue with the NBA mentality. They really believe that this tactic is okay. I say that it is nothing more than cheating. The team is attempting to gain an advantage by doing something illegal.
Let me point out that the NBA is the same league that doesn't allow a secondary defender to stand in the area under the basket. That has been deemed to not be legitimate defense. How about a rule change that any deliberate foul in the final 24 seconds (That's one shot clock period.), results in three FTs for the opponent. It doesn't matter whether the fouled player was in the act of shooting or not. It's an automatic three FTs. That would stamp out this silliness. It's simply not legitimate defense.

HS and NCAA have both clearly stated that "wrapping-up" and opponent is an intentional personal foul. It's not a basketball play. It's a tackle.

However, look at what the coaches are teaching and the players are discussing at the NBA level.

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Updated: May 10, 2009, 6:41 PM ET
Rivers instructs Celts how to foul


By Chris Sheridan
ESPN.com



ORLANDO, Fla. -- On the morning after one of the more controversial nights of the NBA playoffs, Doc Rivers sent a message to his team: If we have a foul to give, make sure you commit it the right way.

In other words, not the Wright way.

The controversial ending to Saturday night's Nuggets-Mavericks game was one of the primary topics of discussion at the Celtics' morning shootaround Sunday, with the teaching emphasis on having players use both arms to wrap up an opposing player on the perimeter to ensure the referee whistles the foul.
"The wrap-up also takes longer than raking a guy across the arms, and it reduces the chance that he can get off an attempt and get three foul shots," Rivers said.
In the Nuggets-Mavs game, Antoine Wright appeared to intentionally foul Denver's Carmelo Anthony twice when Dallas had a foul to give, and the NBA took the highly unusual action of issuing a statement after the game saying the referees had not made the correct call.
Among the Celtics' players, the lingering impression was that Wright was as much at fault as anyone because he did not commit the foul in the proper manner -- especially when he had the perfect opportunity at the moment when Anthony bobbled the ball before regaining control and sinking the game-winning shot.
Other than the lecture on proper fouling techniques, Rivers said the Celtics concentrated on cutting down the Magic's ability to use dribble penetration play to initiate their offense.
The defending champion Celtics trail the best-of-seven series 2-1 heading into tonight's Game 4. Game 5 is Tuesday night in Boston.
"People think we're going away, and we're not. We are who we are. We're a group of fighters," Rivers said.
Chris Sheridan covers the NBA for ESPN.com.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

The end of the Mavs/Nuggets game shows in a nutshell everything that is wrong with the NBA.

So much for competing with honor and actually trying to play good, legal defense against the opponent. Here's an idea, instead of trying to gain an advantage through an illegal act, make a great play and block the shot.

If you really believe that, then you have to say that it also shows everything that is wrong with basketball at ALL levels, which might be true. I don't know. But teams at ALL levels strategically foul at the end of games for a few different reasons.

I'm not sure why this shows what's wrong with the NBA.

[grunewar]

Compliments of USAToday:

Late in the third quarter, James had some fun with an Atlanta police officer standing guard over the officials while they reviewed a shot by Wally Szczerbiak to determine if it was a three-pointer. James backed away playfully when the officer shooed him away from the monitor, then eased his way close enough to get a look before the officer noticed.......

Not that I'm hating, but did anybody see the GT/BI called by the L early in the 1Q of the Cavs games?
I believe it was an alley-oop pass to James.
Just thought it was odd to be called from that position. Thoughts?