preventing the opponent from saving the ball?

[ysong]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Guess you have to see it. You're right, if the contact is preventing A1 from getting past, then it's a foul.

Oops!

Glad I am not alone wanting to call it a foul. But what is the rule basis for calling it illegal? (Like I said, I failed to find any support from the rulebook.)

Thanks.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ysong

Oops!

Glad I am not alone wanting to call it a foul. But what is the rule basis for calling it illegal? (Like I said, I failed to find any support from the rulebook.)

Thanks.

Illegal screen

[ysong]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Illegal screen

Oh well, I thought screen did not apply in this case, since it was the defense side who was doing the moving and blocking...

Then what is the difference between this play and the defense boxing out the offense?

Thanks.

[hoopguy]

Girls AAU game yesterday. Pretty standard situation basically what the op is about. Shot goes up and is an air ball, a1 boxing b1 as ball bounces inbounds and is heading out of bounds. b1 tries to go around a1 and a1 stays with box out. ref calls holding foul on a1 doing the box out. a1's coach goes ballistic gets 1 T then keeps up his yelling and gets T number 2 and gets tossed. Fans are now all mad and giving the ref hard time. Ref explains to fans that player a1 had arms behind and was holding. Fans and coach(before he was tossed) who do not know rules say 'that's how we coach them to box out!!'.

Long story but my point is.... Ref probably made correct call. Definitely made correct decisions after whistle with T's. But... If he does not blow whistle nobody on either team will be upset. This play happens all the time and is normally not called. Probably a lot easier to let it go and move on with the game. But of course that is why we get paid the big buck$!!!

[ysong]

Originally Posted by hoopguy

Ref explains to fans that player a1 had arms behind and was holding.

Thanks for the response.

It sounds like the ref called it because the arms were involved. Are you implying that if no arms, no twisting or bending body involved, the ref would not have called it a foul? In other words, do you believe a *defense* player is entiled by the rules to move with the opponent while keeps body contact and blocks the opponent's path?

Thanks!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by hoopguy

Long story but my point is.... Ref probably made correct call. Definitely made correct decisions after whistle with T's. But... If he does not blow whistle nobody on either team will be upset. This play happens all the time and is normally not called. Probably a lot easier to let it go and move on with the game. But of course that is why we get paid the big buck$!!!

Bull, this needs to be called, especially if she's reaching behind and holding. Don't take the chicken sh1t way out.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by ysong

Oh well, I thought screen did not apply in this case, since it was the defense side who was doing the moving and blocking...

Then what is the difference between this play and the defense boxing out the offense?

Thanks.

It's exactly the same.

[ysong]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

It's exactly the same.

So you do NOT believe a *defense* player is entiled by the rules to move with the opponent while keeps body contact and blocks the opponent's path, do I understand you correctly?

Also, I assume you believe "illegal screen" applys equally to both defense side and offense side, correct? (somehow I thought it only applied to offense side.)

Then, it seems very hard for a defense player to *keep* boxing out an opponent without committing a foul.

Thanks.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ysong

So you do NOT believe a *defense* player is entiled by the rules to move with the opponent while keeps body contact and blocks the opponent's path, do I understand you correctly?

Also, I assume you believe "illegal screen" applys equally to both defense side and offense side, correct? (somehow I thought it only applied to offense side.)

Then, it seems very hard for a defense player to *keep* boxing out an opponent without committing a foul.

Thanks.

The rules need to be applied both as they are literally written and as they are commonly interpreted.

If A1 is making a concerted effort to get around B1, and B1 is preventing this by moving and making illegal contact, then it's a foul.

This happens relatively rarely.

[ysong]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

It's exactly the same.

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

If A1 is making a concerted effort to get around B1, and B1 is preventing this by moving and making illegal contact, then it's a foul.

Please allow me to rephase your statement. You are saying:

"If A1 is making a concerted effort to get around B1, and B1 is preventing this by moving and making contact, then it's a foul", correct?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by ysong

Also, I assume you believe "illegal screen" applys equally to both defense side and offense side, correct? (somehow I thought it only applied to offense side.)

The words offense and defense do not appear in the definition of screen.