preventing the opponent from saving the ball?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by ysong

Ok, here is the scenario in a thought experiment:

B1 steps into A1's path when A1 is trying to save the ball and minor contact occurs. then A1 tries to go around B1, but B1 moves side way with A1 while still in contact with A1, keeps blocking A1's path.

Legal or not? if not legal, what is the rule basis?

Thanks.

Legal. The contact is incidental unless it actually physically prevents A1 from getting to where he wants to go.

I don't need a rule to show you it's legal. You need a rule to show it's illegal.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by ysong

Ok, here is the scenario in a thought experiment:

B1 steps into A1's path when A1 is trying to save the ball and minor contact occurs. then A1 tries to go around B1, but B1 moves side way with A1 while still in contact with A1, keeps blocking A1's path.

Legal or not? if not legal, what is the rule basis?

Thanks.

Partner, I don't know what you're looking for. I addressed this situation earlier.

"He can't extend his arms/legs or otherwise move into A1's path if he's beside him. "

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Legal. The contact is incidental unless it actually physically prevents A1 from getting to where he wants to go.

Adam, the kid said "...but B1 moves side way with A1 while still in contact with A1, keeps blocking A1's path." When you maintain contact and continue blocking someone's path, you're keeping him "from getting to where he wants to go."

[Adam]

Guess you have to see it. You're right, if the contact is preventing A1 from getting past, then it's a foul.

[ysong]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Guess you have to see it. You're right, if the contact is preventing A1 from getting past, then it's a foul.

Oops!

Glad I am not alone wanting to call it a foul. But what is the rule basis for calling it illegal? (Like I said, I failed to find any support from the rulebook.)

Thanks.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ysong

Oops!

Glad I am not alone wanting to call it a foul. But what is the rule basis for calling it illegal? (Like I said, I failed to find any support from the rulebook.)

Thanks.

Illegal screen

[ysong]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Illegal screen

Oh well, I thought screen did not apply in this case, since it was the defense side who was doing the moving and blocking...

Then what is the difference between this play and the defense boxing out the offense?

Thanks.

[hoopguy]

Girls AAU game yesterday. Pretty standard situation basically what the op is about. Shot goes up and is an air ball, a1 boxing b1 as ball bounces inbounds and is heading out of bounds. b1 tries to go around a1 and a1 stays with box out. ref calls holding foul on a1 doing the box out. a1's coach goes ballistic gets 1 T then keeps up his yelling and gets T number 2 and gets tossed. Fans are now all mad and giving the ref hard time. Ref explains to fans that player a1 had arms behind and was holding. Fans and coach(before he was tossed) who do not know rules say 'that's how we coach them to box out!!'.

Long story but my point is.... Ref probably made correct call. Definitely made correct decisions after whistle with T's. But... If he does not blow whistle nobody on either team will be upset. This play happens all the time and is normally not called. Probably a lot easier to let it go and move on with the game. But of course that is why we get paid the big buck$!!!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by ysong

Oh well, I thought screen did not apply in this case, since it was the defense side who was doing the moving and blocking...

Then what is the difference between this play and the defense boxing out the offense?

Thanks.

It's exactly the same.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Guess you have to see it. You're right, if the contact is preventing A1 from getting past, then it's a foul.

And if it prevents A1 from getting the ball.

That said, all the benefit goes to team B (by officiating standard).