preventing the opponent from saving the ball?

[ysong]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

If B1 is in front, then he's obtained the positioned first and is entitled to it. He can't extend his arms/legs or otherwise move into A1's path if he's beside him.

Thanks for the quick response!

It bothers me only when B1 moves with A1 (after initial contact occurs) when A1 is trying to go arround him to save the ball.

So you believe it is legal even in that case, right? regardless whoes front court it occurs, right?

Thanks.

ysong

[Adam]

Originally Posted by ysong

Thanks for the quick response!

It bothers me only when B1 moves with A1 (after initial contact occurs) when A1 is trying to go arround him to save the ball.

So you believe it is legal even in that case, right? regardless whoes front court it occurs, right?

Thanks.

ysong

Is there contact? If so, it could be an illegal screen.

[ysong]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Is there contact? If so, it could be an illegal screen.

Ok, here is the scenario in a thought experiment:

B1 steps into A1's path when A1 is trying to save the ball and minor contact occurs. then A1 tries to go around B1, but B1 moves side way with A1 while still in contact with A1, keeps blocking A1's path.

Legal or not? if not legal, what is the rule basis?

Thanks.

[JRutledge]

To me this is not much different than boxing out on a rebound. It could be based on how the ball started to go out of bounds. If the players are not displacing each other, personally I do not see anything illegal. This is not in the tradition of a screen and we do not consider a box out to be illegal even when there is contact.

Peace

[ysong]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

To me this is not much different than boxing out on a rebound. It could be based on how the ball started to go out of bounds. If the players are not displacing each other, personally I do not see anything illegal. This is not in the tradition of a screen and we do not consider a box out to be illegal even when there is contact.

Peace

So the mere fact that B1 moves with A1 while keeps body contact and blocks A1's path does not make the block illegal.

I think I am stuck because I'd like B1 to play the ball instead of the player's body for the loose ball in this case.

Thanks to all who responded. I am all set with this one. Have a good weekend!

ysong

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by ysong

So the mere fact that B1 moves with A1 while keeps body contact and blocks A1's path does not make the block illegal.

I think I am stuck because I'd like B1 to play the ball instead of the player's body for the loose ball in this case.

Thanks to all who responded. I am all set with this one. Have a good weekend!

ysong

But isn't A1 also moving with B1 after making contact?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by ysong

So the mere fact that B1 moves with A1 while keeps body contact and blocks A1's path does not make the block illegal.

I think I am stuck because I'd like B1 to play the ball instead of the player's body for the loose ball in this case.

Thanks to all who responded. I am all set with this one. Have a good weekend!

ysong

I'd like both teams to keep shooting 3 point shots and make them so I don't have to call any fouls. Ref what they do, not what you would prefer they do.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by ysong

Ok, here is the scenario in a thought experiment:

B1 steps into A1's path when A1 is trying to save the ball and minor contact occurs. then A1 tries to go around B1, but B1 moves side way with A1 while still in contact with A1, keeps blocking A1's path.

Legal or not? if not legal, what is the rule basis?

Thanks.

Legal. The contact is incidental unless it actually physically prevents A1 from getting to where he wants to go.

I don't need a rule to show you it's legal. You need a rule to show it's illegal.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by ysong

Ok, here is the scenario in a thought experiment:

B1 steps into A1's path when A1 is trying to save the ball and minor contact occurs. then A1 tries to go around B1, but B1 moves side way with A1 while still in contact with A1, keeps blocking A1's path.

Legal or not? if not legal, what is the rule basis?

Thanks.

Partner, I don't know what you're looking for. I addressed this situation earlier.

"He can't extend his arms/legs or otherwise move into A1's path if he's beside him. "

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Legal. The contact is incidental unless it actually physically prevents A1 from getting to where he wants to go.

Adam, the kid said "...but B1 moves side way with A1 while still in contact with A1, keeps blocking A1's path." When you maintain contact and continue blocking someone's path, you're keeping him "from getting to where he wants to go."

[Adam]

Guess you have to see it. You're right, if the contact is preventing A1 from getting past, then it's a foul.

[ysong]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Guess you have to see it. You're right, if the contact is preventing A1 from getting past, then it's a foul.

Oops!

Glad I am not alone wanting to call it a foul. But what is the rule basis for calling it illegal? (Like I said, I failed to find any support from the rulebook.)

Thanks.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Guess you have to see it. You're right, if the contact is preventing A1 from getting past, then it's a foul.

And if it prevents A1 from getting the ball.

That said, all the benefit goes to team B (by officiating standard).

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by ysong

Thanks for the quick response!

It bothers me only when B1 moves with A1 (after initial contact occurs) when A1 is trying to go arround him to save the ball.

So you believe it is legal even in that case, right? regardless whoes front court it occurs, right?

First, front court has nothing to do with it. No idea why you brought that into the question.

If B1 is in front and both player are moving in the same direction, then A1 is required to avoid the contact.

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When screening an opponent who is moving in the same path and direction as the screener, the player behind is responsible if contact is made because the player in front slows up or stops and the player behind overruns his/her opponent.