preventing the opponent from saving the ball?

[canuckrefguy]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

What if B1 is in front and moves his leg and A1 trips and ends up falling?

B*stard.

[ysong]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

To me this is not much different than boxing out on a rebound. It could be based on how the ball started to go out of bounds. If the players are not displacing each other, personally I do not see anything illegal. This is not in the tradition of a screen and we do not consider a box out to be illegal even when there is contact.

Peace

So the mere fact that B1 moves with A1 while keeps body contact and blocks A1's path does not make the block illegal.

I think I am stuck because I'd like B1 to play the ball instead of the player's body for the loose ball in this case.

Thanks to all who responded. I am all set with this one. Have a good weekend!

ysong

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by ysong

So the mere fact that B1 moves with A1 while keeps body contact and blocks A1's path does not make the block illegal.

I think I am stuck because I'd like B1 to play the ball instead of the player's body for the loose ball in this case.

Thanks to all who responded. I am all set with this one. Have a good weekend!

ysong

But isn't A1 also moving with B1 after making contact?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by ysong

So the mere fact that B1 moves with A1 while keeps body contact and blocks A1's path does not make the block illegal.

I think I am stuck because I'd like B1 to play the ball instead of the player's body for the loose ball in this case.

Thanks to all who responded. I am all set with this one. Have a good weekend!

ysong

I'd like both teams to keep shooting 3 point shots and make them so I don't have to call any fouls. Ref what they do, not what you would prefer they do.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by ysong

Ok, here is the scenario in a thought experiment:

B1 steps into A1's path when A1 is trying to save the ball and minor contact occurs. then A1 tries to go around B1, but B1 moves side way with A1 while still in contact with A1, keeps blocking A1's path.

Legal or not? if not legal, what is the rule basis?

Thanks.

Partner, I don't know what you're looking for. I addressed this situation earlier.

"He can't extend his arms/legs or otherwise move into A1's path if he's beside him. "

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Legal. The contact is incidental unless it actually physically prevents A1 from getting to where he wants to go.

Adam, the kid said "...but B1 moves side way with A1 while still in contact with A1, keeps blocking A1's path." When you maintain contact and continue blocking someone's path, you're keeping him "from getting to where he wants to go."

[Adam]

Guess you have to see it. You're right, if the contact is preventing A1 from getting past, then it's a foul.

[ysong]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Guess you have to see it. You're right, if the contact is preventing A1 from getting past, then it's a foul.

Oops!

Glad I am not alone wanting to call it a foul. But what is the rule basis for calling it illegal? (Like I said, I failed to find any support from the rulebook.)

Thanks.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Guess you have to see it. You're right, if the contact is preventing A1 from getting past, then it's a foul.

And if it prevents A1 from getting the ball.

That said, all the benefit goes to team B (by officiating standard).

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ysong

Oops!

Glad I am not alone wanting to call it a foul. But what is the rule basis for calling it illegal? (Like I said, I failed to find any support from the rulebook.)

Thanks.

Illegal screen

[ysong]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Illegal screen

Oh well, I thought screen did not apply in this case, since it was the defense side who was doing the moving and blocking...

Then what is the difference between this play and the defense boxing out the offense?

Thanks.

[hoopguy]

Girls AAU game yesterday. Pretty standard situation basically what the op is about. Shot goes up and is an air ball, a1 boxing b1 as ball bounces inbounds and is heading out of bounds. b1 tries to go around a1 and a1 stays with box out. ref calls holding foul on a1 doing the box out. a1's coach goes ballistic gets 1 T then keeps up his yelling and gets T number 2 and gets tossed. Fans are now all mad and giving the ref hard time. Ref explains to fans that player a1 had arms behind and was holding. Fans and coach(before he was tossed) who do not know rules say 'that's how we coach them to box out!!'.

Long story but my point is.... Ref probably made correct call. Definitely made correct decisions after whistle with T's. But... If he does not blow whistle nobody on either team will be upset. This play happens all the time and is normally not called. Probably a lot easier to let it go and move on with the game. But of course that is why we get paid the big buck$!!!

[ysong]

Originally Posted by hoopguy

Ref explains to fans that player a1 had arms behind and was holding.

Thanks for the response.

It sounds like the ref called it because the arms were involved. Are you implying that if no arms, no twisting or bending body involved, the ref would not have called it a foul? In other words, do you believe a *defense* player is entiled by the rules to move with the opponent while keeps body contact and blocks the opponent's path?

Thanks!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by ysong

Oh well, I thought screen did not apply in this case, since it was the defense side who was doing the moving and blocking...

Then what is the difference between this play and the defense boxing out the offense?

Thanks.

It's exactly the same.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by hoopguy

Long story but my point is.... Ref probably made correct call. Definitely made correct decisions after whistle with T's. But... If he does not blow whistle nobody on either team will be upset. This play happens all the time and is normally not called. Probably a lot easier to let it go and move on with the game. But of course that is why we get paid the big buck$!!!

Bull, this needs to be called, especially if she's reaching behind and holding. Don't take the chicken sh1t way out.

[ysong]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

It's exactly the same.

So you do NOT believe a *defense* player is entiled by the rules to move with the opponent while keeps body contact and blocks the opponent's path, do I understand you correctly?

Also, I assume you believe "illegal screen" applys equally to both defense side and offense side, correct? (somehow I thought it only applied to offense side.)

Then, it seems very hard for a defense player to *keep* boxing out an opponent without committing a foul.

Thanks.