Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 590376)

No foul. I'm too worried about the principal of the defensive team's school launching a protest over my judgment.

Originally Posted by 181174 (Post 591230)

You are right, I should have worded that better. Though if the horn goes off when the clock says 0.00 then I look at that as being the same thing. You are right though, we as officials have to know if the ball was released or still in the hand when the clock went to 0.00, we don't have the red light on the backboard at most schools I work here in Indiana so we do have to know by the clock not the horn or backboard light. Good point! my point is it's a hard call to explain to a coach if you are waving off the basket but still giving 2 shots for the foul, though if the shot is still in the hand when the clock reads 0.00 then that is the correct call.

Originally Posted by bradfordwilkins (Post 591250)

Going to my earlier point though -- how can the clock expire if you blow your whistle before the clock expires? Sure the horn can sound but <font color=red>if you or your partners have knowledge of the clock</font color>, there has got to be some time left. Even if its .3 seconds.

Originally Posted by M&M Guy (Post 591255)

<font color=red>This is the key.</font color> Definite knowledge is not simply knowing that the horn went off after the whistle, but rather exactly what the clock read when the whistle was blown, or what the time was when the official looked at it. It is <B>not</B>: "I'm definitely sure the horn went off after the whistle, so we need to put something back on the clock."

Originally Posted by bradfordwilkins (Post 591275)

I'd hope with a few seconds winding down the game, that one of my partners would be watching the clock pretty closely and thus have definite knowledge. Or at least in our theoretical scenario of proper execution, someone SHOULD be watching that clock.