Pass to Head to Hoop

[Scrapper1]

By rule, this should be a 3. Any thrown ball that starts outside the arc and then goes in a player's own basket without touching the floor, a teammate or an official counts as 3. I think it's 5-2-1.

Having said that, there's NO WAY that this type of play should be awarded 3 points. It was obviously not a try for goal, it was just a lucky bounce.

There is a case play (I can't remember the reference) in which a 3-point try falls short of the goal, bounces off a defender and then goes in the basket. It is ruled as a 2-point basket because the try clearly ended. This, IMHO, clearly contradicts the rule but is the correct ruling.

5-2-1 needs to be re-written so that if it applies only to the "alley-oops" play (where it MIGHT have been a try) and not to "any" thrown ball (which is obviously NOT a try).

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

By rule, this should be a 3. Any thrown ball that starts outside the arc and then goes in a player's own basket without touching the floor, a teammate or an official counts as 3. I think it's 5-2-1.

That's the one.

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

There is a case play (I can't remember the reference) in which a 3-point try falls short of the goal, bounces off a defender and then goes in the basket. It is ruled as a 2-point basket because the try clearly ended. This, IMHO, clearly contradicts the rule but is the correct ruling.

I don't think it really contradicts it, because the case play clearly states it's a try, and once a try ends the bounce off the player becomes a second action, so to speak.

5.2.1 Sit. C (b) covers the OP's exact play.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

once a try ends the bounce off the player becomes a second action, so to speak.

It may no longer be a try, but it is still a "thrown ball" that has not touched the floor, an opponent, or an official.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

It may no longer be a try, but it is still a "thrown ball" that has not touched the floor, an opponent, or an official.

Aren't they still two different things? For example, is it the same result if B1 fouls A1 during a throw or during a try? Isn't that why they specifically mention all three: try, tap, or thrown ball? We still need to make a judgement of whether it is one of the three, however it doesn't matter which one goes through the basket to count 3 points.