backcourt front court violation

[Juulie Downs]

Originally Posted by grunewar

"You are where you are until you get where you're going."

If the ball is thrown to A2 from A1 who is in the frontcourt, and A2 catches it in the air and returns/saves the ball without landing in the backcourt you have no violation.

Depends on where A2 started. If A2 was in bc when he jumped and then caught the ball in mid-air, it doesn't matter where he landed, it's a violation.

[mick]

Originally Posted by furlu55

A player's location on the court, when airborne, is determined by the point of departure. If player a-2 jumped from the front court to retveive the ball in mid air which a-1 passes to him is this a violation.....????

Originally Posted by Juulie Downs

Depends on where A2 started. If A2 was in bc when he jumped and then caught the ball in mid-air, it doesn't matter where he landed, it's a violation.

A2 started in the frontcourt.

[Peach State Ref]

I have a similar play that I saw last night at a GHSA state semi-final game. Play A: A-1 is in the backcourt and passes the ball to A-2 who jumps from the frontcourt, catches the ball in the air, and lands in the backcourt. Violation or not? Why or why not?

This play got me to thinking about various other scenarios. Play B: A-1 is in the backcourt and passes the ball to A-2. B-1 is standing in the frontcourt and tips the pass into the air near the division line. A-2 jumps from the frontcourt, catches the tipped ball in the air, and lands in the backcourt. Violation or not? Why or why not?

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by Peach State Ref

I have a similar play that I saw last night at a GHSA state semi-final game. Play A: A-1 is in the backcourt and passes the ball to A-2 who jumps from the frontcourt, catches the ball in the air, and lands in the backcourt. Violation or not? Why or why not?

BC violation. A2 caught the ball in the frontcourt and was the first to touch it in the backcourt.

This play got me to thinking about various other scenarios. Play B: A-1 is in the backcourt and passes the ball to A-2. B-1 is standing in the frontcourt and tips the pass into the air near the division line. A-2 jumps from the frontcourt, catches the tipped ball in the air, and lands in the backcourt. Violation or not? Why or why not?

I'd say no because Team A never had team control in the frontcourt. B's player was the last to touch before it went to the backcourt. However, if A caught it before it hit the floor, does it still have frontcourt status until it hits the floor?

I still say no BC violation here.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by furlu55

A player's location on the court, when airborne, is determined by the point of departure.

Originally Posted by mbyron

Not correct. A player's location while airborne is determined by the last place he touched the court.

Sorry, this sounds like an accurate statement to me. It is just a different way of saying the same thing.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Peach State Ref

This play got me to thinking about various other scenarios. Play B: A-1 is in the backcourt and passes the ball to A-2. B-1 is standing in the frontcourt and tips the pass into the air near the division line. A-2 jumps from the frontcourt, catches the tipped ball in the air, and lands in the backcourt. Violation or not? Why or why not?

By rule, this is not a violation. The requirements are not met:
1. Team control by A.
2. Ball gains front court status (when tipped by B).
3. A is not the last to touch the ball before it goes into the backcourt.
4. A2 is the first to touch the ball with BC status.

What is missing is that part where team A is the last to touch the ball "before" it gains backcourt status.

The recent NFHS interp, however, essentially states that #3 and #4 can happen at the same time.

Now, if the ball had hit another A player rather than B1 and then bounced into the BC, it's a violation.

[Peach State Ref]

Originally Posted by Peach State Ref
This play got me to thinking about various other scenarios. Play B: A-1 is in the backcourt and passes the ball to A-2. B-1 is standing in the frontcourt and tips the pass into the air near the division line. A-2 jumps from the frontcourt, catches the tipped ball in the air, and lands in the backcourt. Violation or not? Why or why not?

By rule, this is not a violation. The requirements are not met:
1. Team control by A.
2. Ball gains front court status (when tipped by B).
3. A is not the last to touch the ball before it goes into the backcourt.
4. A2 is the first to touch the ball with BC status.

What is missing is that part where team A is the last to touch the ball "before" it gains backcourt status.

The recent NFHS interp, however, essentially states that #3 and #4 can happen at the same time.

Now, if the ball had hit another A player rather than B1 and then bounced into the BC, it's a violation.

I agree with your rationale. No violation in Play B

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

By rule, this is not a violation. The requirements are not met:
1. Team control by A.
2. Ball gains front court status (when tipped by B).
3. A is not the last to touch the ball before it goes into the backcourt.
4. A2 is the first to touch the ball with BC status.

What is missing is that part where team A is the last to touch the ball "before" it gains backcourt status.

The recent NFHS interp, however, essentially states that #3 and #4 can happen at the same time.

Now, if the ball had hit another A player rather than B1 and then bounced into the BC, it's a violation.

Yes, it is a violation.

A was the last to touch the ball when A2 grabbed the ball in the air, still in the FC.

The play is no different from B1 tipping a pass from FC A1 that deflects off of FC A2 into the BC where A2 recovers.

[Adam]

Who was the last to touch the ball "before" it got BC status? B1.
It's different than your play since in your play, A2 is the last to touch it before it goes to the BC.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Yes, it is a violation.

A was the last to touch the ball when A2 grabbed the ball in the air, still in the FC.

The play is no different from B1 tipping a pass from FC A1 that deflects off of FC A2 into the BC where A2 recovers.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Who was the last to touch the ball "before" it got BC status? B1.
It's different than your play since in your play, A2 is the last to touch it before it goes to the BC.

Always listen to bob.

Snaq, I think you're thinking about the case where A2 has already established themselves to be in the BC when they obtain possession of the ball (that has yet to hit the BC).

[Adam]

Consider this play and tell me how it differs, please.

A1 dribbling in BC, loses control and the ball bounces off the leg of B1, standing in the FC, and into the BC where A1 is standing when he picks it up. Is this a violation? Does it matter if A1 is picks it up before it hits the floor in the BC.

edit: I see it now. I don't know what my problem is.

violation

[mick]

Originally Posted by Peach State Ref

This play got me to thinking about various other scenarios. Play B: A-1 is in the backcourt and passes the ball to A-2. B-1 is standing in the frontcourt and tips the pass into the air near the division line. A-2 jumps from the frontcourt, catches the tipped ball in the air, and lands in the backcourt. Violation or not? Why or why not?

Originally Posted by zm1283

I'd say no because Team A never had team control in the frontcourt. B's player was the last to touch before it went to the backcourt. However, if A caught it before it hit the floor, does it still have frontcourt status until it hits the floor?

I still say no BC violation here.

Rethink this:

Team A never lost team control; they had it in the backcourt and maintained it. B's bat does not change team control
A2 caught the ball while having frontcourt location.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

By rule, this is not a violation. The requirements are not met:
1. Team control by A.
2. Ball gains front court status (when tipped by B).
3. A is not the last to touch the ball before it goes into the backcourt.
4. A2 is the first to touch the ball with BC status.

What is missing is that part where team A is the last to touch the ball "before" it gains backcourt status.

The recent NFHS interp, however, essentially states that #3 and #4 can happen at the same time.

Now, if the ball had hit another A player rather than B1 and then bounced into the BC, it's a violation.

Originally Posted by mick

Rethink this:

Team A never lost team control; they had it in the backcourt and maintained it. B's bat does not change team control
A2 caught the ball while having frontcourt location.

What do you say to the post above by Snaqwells then?