Uconn vs Syracuse

[T42]

In 35 years officiating, when there was a question about a shot at the end of a game or overtime, we were always instructed to ask the timer "Where was the ball when the horn went off?" not "where was the ball when the clock went to 0:00?" I'm sure many official has had the clock go to 0:00 and the horn not sound. Wonder why this subject didn't come up at the end of regulation?
Any comment will be appreciated.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by T42

In 35 years officiating, when there was a question about a shot at the end of a game or overtime, we were always instructed to ask the timer "Where was the ball when the horn went off?" not "where was the ball when the clock went to 0:00?" I'm sure many official has had the clock go to 0:00 and the horn not sound. Wonder why this subject didn't come up at the end of regulation?
Any comment will be appreciated.

Because they have monitors and the on-court officials aren't going to leave this in the hands of a timer. Nor would I. Ever. At any level.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by T42

In 35 years officiating, when there was a question about a shot at the end of a game or overtime, we were always instructed to ask the timer "Where was the ball when the horn went off?" not "where was the ball when the clock went to 0:00?" I'm sure many official has had the clock go to 0:00 and the horn not sound. Wonder why this subject didn't come up at the end of regulation?
Any comment will be appreciated.

Those days are over, especially at the college level.

Peace

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by T42

In 35 years officiating, when there was a question about a shot at the end of a game or overtime, we were always instructed to ask the timer "Where was the ball when the horn went off?" not "where was the ball when the clock went to 0:00?" I'm sure many official has had the clock go to 0:00 and the horn not sound. Wonder why this subject didn't come up at the end of regulation?
Any comment will be appreciated.

I appreciate all of your years of experience, but I'm guessing that most of those were at the HS level and any collegiate experience that you have was prior to the use of the video monitor. Basically, your question can be answered by taking a quick look at the latest NCAA ruling. It was handed down following a game a couple of years ago in which the clock and the LED lights were not synchronized.

Currently at the NCAA level the zeros ON THE GAME CLOCK has the highest priority. The LED lights are 2nd, and the horn sounding is 3rd.

Rule 2, Section 13, Article 4.
In games with a 10th-of-a-second game clock display and where an
official courtside monitor is used, the reading of zeros on the game clock
is to be used to determine whether a try for goal, a shot-clock violation or
a foul occurred before or after the expiration of time in any period. When
the game clock is not visible, the officials shall verify the original call with
the use of the red/LED light(s). When the red/LED light(s) are not visible,
the sounding of the game-clock horn shall be utilized. When definitive
information is unattainable with the use of the monitor, the original call
stands.

This is not the case with the shot clock. For the shot clock the horn is controlling and the showing of zero does NOT indicate a violation.

Rule 2, Section 11, Article 9.
Sound the shot-clock horn at the expiration of the shot-clock period.
This shot-clock horn shall not stop play unless recognized by an official’s
whistle. When the shot clock indicates zeros but the shot-clock horn has not sounded, the shot-clock time has not expired.
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At the HS level under NFHS rules the SOUNDING OF THE HORN has the highest priority, even if there are supplementary lights per 2-12-7, 5-6-2, and 1-14.

2-12-7: "...Indicate by signal the expiration of playing time in each quarter or
extra period. If a supplementary red light is used, the timer’s signal is the official
expiration of playing time."

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I appreciate all of your years of experience, but I'm guessing that most of those were at the HS level and any collegiate experience that you have was prior to the use of the video monitor. Basically, your question can be answered by taking a quick look at the latest NCAA ruling. It was handed down following a game a couple of years ago in which the clock and the LED lights were not synchronized.

Do you remember what game this was? I only ask because there was a Missouri State/St. Louis game in December of 2005 where SLU won on a tip-in at the buzzer. They waved it off initially, then went to the monitor and counted it after video review, giving SLU the win. Only problem was the clock on the video was out of sync with the clock in the Scottrade Center. They couldn't see the clock or hear the horn. (There weren't LED lights on the backboard then)

About two days later, video came out showing the SLU player's hand still on the ball with the arena clock at zero and the clock from the video still at something like two tenths left. Gerry Pollard was the R in the game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIU5k_4cRos
(If you stop that video at the right time, you can hear the horn go off right before you pause it and his hand is still on the ball)

Here's one more view.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olrfP...eature=related
(I believe there's a light on top of the shot clock that you can see go off while the ball is still on his hand)

This isn't sour grapes, as it was almost four years ago. Just wanted to get other opinions on it. (Although SLU's #15 does give a nice shove to MSU's #0 just before the tip-in)

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Do you remember what game this was?

Texas @ Providence
7:00 PM ET, January 5, 2004
Dunkin' Donuts Center
Providence, RI

79-77 in OT



Clock, light were not synchronized - Men's College Basketball - ESPN

Texas vs. Providence - Recap - January 05, 2004 - ESPN