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Texas Aggie Wed Mar 11, 2009 09:18pm

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Mount understands a rule was broken and there are consequences, but he has other questions. There was a thunderous dunk, he said, in the game before Harlem took the floor, a dunk he heard in his team's locker room.
Trying to deflect the blame here. No dunk = no problem. Its as simple as that.

I think Fed needs to think about adopting this rule.

ma_ref Thu Mar 12, 2009 08:24am

1 question from the article:

"If a backboard is broken with a dunk in a game, Mount said there is a technical called, but it is not a forfeit."

Don't have my rule book handy, so is this another state specific rule? Can't recall seeing this in NFHS...

ma_ref Thu Mar 12, 2009 08:32am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 587582)
I think it is quite obvious that Coach Mount is not very knowledgeable when it comes to rules.

This is very true, but even a broken clock is right twice a day...

Ref Ump Welsch Thu Mar 12, 2009 10:55am

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Originally Posted by Texas Aggie (Post 587490)
Trying to deflect the blame here. No dunk = no problem. Its as simple as that.

I think Fed needs to think about adopting this rule.

I don't think he was trying to deflect the blame (although I will agree with Aggie that may be the case), just questioning why the backboard shattered when his pipsqueak guy dunked. A thunderous dunk in a previous game can make a backboard vulnerable to a light dunk in a later game. If you read his next line after the one you quoted, he wonders why the backboard wasn't inspected after that thunderous dunk. I wonder also, because you never know after each game where there has been a hard dunk whether the next game's simple dunk could lead to a shattered backboard. What if this dunk hadn't happened during pregame but during the game itself? How many players would have been under the backboard when all that glass came down? You probably see where I'm going with this.

budjones05 Thu Mar 12, 2009 11:10am

Montana has enough schools to play a high school tournament?

JugglingReferee Thu Mar 12, 2009 11:30am

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Originally Posted by budjones05 (Post 587626)
Montana has enough schools to play a high school tournament?

I thought Montana was a place where Russian submarine officers go after being granted asylum. :cool:

Ref Ump Welsch Thu Mar 12, 2009 11:57am

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Originally Posted by budjones05 (Post 587626)
Montana has enough schools to play a high school tournament?

Hmmm...how many are run by anti-government organizations hiding out in the mountains? :cool:

mbyron Thu Mar 12, 2009 12:21pm

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Originally Posted by ma_ref (Post 587586)
This is very true, but even a broken clock is right twice a day...

The clock isn't misapplying a rule.

JRutledge Thu Mar 12, 2009 12:22pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 587455)
I remember a big school or two having that in Iowa. I haven't seen it in Colorado, though.

The school I worked last night had stands on both end lines.

Peace

Ref Ump Welsch Thu Mar 12, 2009 12:37pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 587652)
The school I worked last night had stands on both end lines.

Peace

We have a HS gym here in the Metro Omaha area, in which there is a set of bleachers at one endline. It's usually occupied by the student body of that particular school, which is an all-boys school by the way.

Another gym here, has sets in a balcony overlooking the endline on one end. I kind of don't like that one because then someone could stand right above me and drop snot boogers on my head. Ewww.

ma_ref Thu Mar 12, 2009 01:04pm

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Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch (Post 587656)
Another gym here, has sets in a balcony overlooking the endline on one end. I kind of don't like that one because then someone could stand right above me and drop snot boogers on my head. Ewww.

What school is this, and when are you working there next? :D

fullor30 Thu Mar 12, 2009 01:11pm

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Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch (Post 587656)
We have a HS gym here in the Metro Omaha area, in which there is a set of bleachers at one endline. It's usually occupied by the student body of that particular school, which is an all-boys school by the way.

Another gym here, has sets in a balcony overlooking the endline on one end. I kind of don't like that one because then someone could stand right above me and drop snot boogers on my head. Ewww.


What school? I used to live in Omaha a thousand years ago.

Texas Aggie Thu Mar 12, 2009 01:38pm

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he wonders why the backboard wasn't inspected after that thunderous dunk. I wonder also
I've been around this game a long time and have never seen a backboard inspected at a location I was working or playing. Not saying its never happened, just that it would be highly unusual. In other words, no one is going to think to inspect a backboard absent something appearing to be wrong with it.

Its his assertion that he, from the locker room, HEARD a thunderous dunk -- whatever that means. What does a dunk sound like, especially from the locker room? Was it thunderous due to the actual dunk or due to the applause? How did he know which board it was without asking? Why didn't he initiate the inspection prior to taking his team on the court?

This was all after the fact and clearly an attempt to deflect blame.

Texas Aggie Thu Mar 12, 2009 01:40pm

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all that glass came down
The glass is tempered (sp??) and when it breaks, it breaks into non-jagged edges. Usually you have to bust it from the side to get it to break at all.

Texref Thu Mar 12, 2009 04:13pm

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Originally Posted by ma_ref (Post 587581)
1 question from the article:

"If a backboard is broken with a dunk in a game, Mount said there is a technical called, but it is not a forfeit."

Don't have my rule book handy, so is this another state specific rule? Can't recall seeing this in NFHS...

Don't see anything about a T being called, but here is the excerpt from the MHSA handbook for basketball:

Regular Season Breakage
a. Rim Breakage: If a junior varsity or varsity team breaks a rim while attempting to
dunk a ball in pregame, that school will be responsible for payment of the rim. If
the rim is broken during the junior varsity game or varsity game, the responsibility
for payment will be that of the home team. If the home team does not have a
replacement at that time, the varsity game will be rescheduled for a later date.
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b. Backboard Breakage: If a junior varsity or varsity team breaks a backboard
during the pregame while attempting to dunk the ball, that school will be
responsible for payment of the backboard. The team will also forfeit games
scheduled for that time period. If the backboard is broken during a game, the
home team will responsible for payment and the varsity game may be suspended
or rescheduled for a later date if there is no replacement backboard available.

<b>Tournament Breakage</b>

a. Rim Breakage: If a team breaks a rim while attempting to dunk a basketball
during the pregame, that team will be responsible to pay for the replacement of
the rim. If the rim is broken during the game, the cost of the replacement of the
rim will be drawn from the tournament receipts unless prior arrangements have
been made. If the tournament site does not have a replacement rim, the game or
games will be rescheduled as soon as possible.

b. Backboard Breakage: If a team breaks a backboard while attempting to dunk a
basketball during the pregame, that team will forfeit the game and be held
responsible for the cost of the replacement of the backboard. If the backboard is
broken during a game, the cost for the replacement of the backboard will be
drawn from the tournament receipts unless prior arrangements have been made.
If the tournament site does not have a replacement backboard, that game and
any other scheduled to follow will be rescheduled as soon as possible.


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