Pregame dunk costs team playoff game
 

Not what you may think. The back board shattered. State rule: you forfeit.

http://highschool.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=922635

Wow, that is kind of funny.

Shouldn't have dunked in the first place before the game. That simple.

Peace

Agreed, I also find this gem from the coach kind of funny.

Well coach, maybe because dunking is legal during the game, but illegal during pregame? I'm going out on a limb here, but I think that could have something to do with it.

Maybe the state of Montana should come in overrule this decision; you know you cannot have rules followed during the post season? :rolleyes:

Peace

"Mount said he told his team no dunking in pregame warmups, but when he got to the tournament there were other teams dunking in pregame. He told his kids it was OK."

C'Mon, The kid is 5'11", they should cut him a break! Invoke the "Spud Webb Rule." ;)

Love how the coach is trying to deflect blame and tell his team it was an injustice or bad break that they just have to live with.

Good lesson, kiddies. Break the rules - pay the price - but blame everybody but yourselves.

I want that guy coaching my kids.

A double elimination tournament? First time I have heard of it in HS. Any other states have those?

Did anyone else notice the stands behind the backboard? Are those spectator bleachers behind the endline? I haven's seen may high schools like that.

My HS used to have them. They ended up making a storage area in that end of the gym. Enrollment was 1300 when I went there. Around 1000 now. And attendance at basketball games there is not anywhere near what it used to be.

I would not say most high schools have this, but I have seen quite a few. That is not uncommon in certain places at least in this state.

Peace

Alaska had its first this year. Worked fine.

eh- they already lost so not too much sympathy. However, that is ridiculous that a backboard would break from someone that size. Kind of dangerous too. Maybe leagues need to start checking that out

Oregon has had double elimination for years.

I remember a big school or two having that in Iowa. I haven't seen it in Colorado, though.

Tough life lesson: follow the rules, and don't be a lemming. :D Oh well. A billion chinese won't care tomorrow.

Trying to deflect the blame here. No dunk = no problem. Its as simple as that.

I think Fed needs to think about adopting this rule.

1 question from the article:

"If a backboard is broken with a dunk in a game, Mount said there is a technical called, but it is not a forfeit."

Don't have my rule book handy, so is this another state specific rule? Can't recall seeing this in NFHS...

This is very true, but even a broken clock is right twice a day...

I don't think he was trying to deflect the blame (although I will agree with Aggie that may be the case), just questioning why the backboard shattered when his pipsqueak guy dunked. A thunderous dunk in a previous game can make a backboard vulnerable to a light dunk in a later game. If you read his next line after the one you quoted, he wonders why the backboard wasn't inspected after that thunderous dunk. I wonder also, because you never know after each game where there has been a hard dunk whether the next game's simple dunk could lead to a shattered backboard. What if this dunk hadn't happened during pregame but during the game itself? How many players would have been under the backboard when all that glass came down? You probably see where I'm going with this.

Montana has enough schools to play a high school tournament?

I thought Montana was a place where Russian submarine officers go after being granted asylum. :cool:

Hmmm...how many are run by anti-government organizations hiding out in the mountains? :cool:

The clock isn't misapplying a rule.

The school I worked last night had stands on both end lines.

Peace

We have a HS gym here in the Metro Omaha area, in which there is a set of bleachers at one endline. It's usually occupied by the student body of that particular school, which is an all-boys school by the way.

Another gym here, has sets in a balcony overlooking the endline on one end. I kind of don't like that one because then someone could stand right above me and drop snot boogers on my head. Ewww.

What school is this, and when are you working there next? :D

What school? I used to live in Omaha a thousand years ago.

I've been around this game a long time and have never seen a backboard inspected at a location I was working or playing. Not saying its never happened, just that it would be highly unusual. In other words, no one is going to think to inspect a backboard absent something appearing to be wrong with it.

Its his assertion that he, from the locker room, HEARD a thunderous dunk -- whatever that means. What does a dunk sound like, especially from the locker room? Was it thunderous due to the actual dunk or due to the applause? How did he know which board it was without asking? Why didn't he initiate the inspection prior to taking his team on the court?

This was all after the fact and clearly an attempt to deflect blame.

The glass is tempered (sp??) and when it breaks, it breaks into non-jagged edges. Usually you have to bust it from the side to get it to break at all.

Don't see anything about a T being called, but here is the excerpt from the MHSA handbook for basketball:

Regular Season Breakage
a. Rim Breakage: If a junior varsity or varsity team breaks a rim while attempting to
dunk a ball in pregame, that school will be responsible for payment of the rim. If
the rim is broken during the junior varsity game or varsity game, the responsibility
for payment will be that of the home team. If the home team does not have a
replacement at that time, the varsity game will be rescheduled for a later date.
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b. Backboard Breakage: If a junior varsity or varsity team breaks a backboard
during the pregame while attempting to dunk the ball, that school will be
responsible for payment of the backboard. The team will also forfeit games
scheduled for that time period. If the backboard is broken during a game, the
home team will responsible for payment and the varsity game may be suspended
or rescheduled for a later date if there is no replacement backboard available.

<b>Tournament Breakage</b>

a. Rim Breakage: If a team breaks a rim while attempting to dunk a basketball
during the pregame, that team will be responsible to pay for the replacement of
the rim. If the rim is broken during the game, the cost of the replacement of the
rim will be drawn from the tournament receipts unless prior arrangements have
been made. If the tournament site does not have a replacement rim, the game or
games will be rescheduled as soon as possible.

b. Backboard Breakage: If a team breaks a backboard while attempting to dunk a
basketball during the pregame, that team will forfeit the game and be held
responsible for the cost of the replacement of the backboard. If the backboard is
broken during a game, the cost for the replacement of the backboard will be
drawn from the tournament receipts unless prior arrangements have been made.
If the tournament site does not have a replacement backboard, that game and
any other scheduled to follow will be rescheduled as soon as possible.

Sounds like this seals the deal

I know that several posters have criticized the coach in this case for definitely NOT knowing the rules. Is it possible that the coach was referring to a situation that is different than the one each of the posters is thinks he is?

I am thinking that the coach is referring to the fact that if a player dunks AND hangs on the rim in pregame, the player is assessed a technical foul. If a player dunks AND hangs on the rim during the GAME, the player is assessed a technical foul.

If the backboard shatters during PREGAME, the game is a forfeit. If the backboard shatters during the GAME, the game is rescheduled.

I don't know if that is what the coach really meant or not, but there are times when the writer misinterprets/improperly documents EXACTLY what the speaker intended (for those who have ever been interviewed for a story, perhaps you can understand).

Just a possibility in this case. Net: Be careful before you start throwing stones as you might not have all your facts correct.

I was watching a game at Arkansas State a few years ago when a player from Western Kentucky shattered a backboard on a dunk.
It was unbelievable to see this in person, but the safety concerns were scary.
Several players were covered with glass, and fans several rows up in the endzone had glass on them as well. A couple of players were treated for minor cuts.


The incident in Montana could have been avoided if the officials had been on the court. During the playoffs here, we work a different crew each game. As soon as one game is complete, the next crew hits the floor.
Of course, if they worked the same crew in consecutive games, I can see where the crew would want to refresh a moment.

We have several school here that have seats in the end. I don't like them. Usually, the students sit there and give the opposing players and officials a headache.

Bellevue West...and my season is over, so it won't be till next year. :D

The all-boys school: Creighton Prep, thus giving that student section the name "The Bird Cage" since they're the Junior Jays. The school with the balcony: Bellevue West. Ironically, Bellevue West didn't have a balcony there when I was in charge of a tournament back in 1997. They added it later when they expanded that end of the building.

Have you had to clean this stuff up before? It's still glass, no matter if it's tempered or not (and i don't think we both spelled that right!).

There does not have to be officials on the floor... Only 15 minutes prior to game time we dont know when this dunk happened...

secondly ".... he told his team no dunking in pregame warmups, but when he got to the tournament there were other teams dunking in pregame. He told his kids it was OK."

The coach openly told his kids it was ok to break the rules...

Instead of the manuevering, just tell the press, that we apologize to the fans who travelled, our team made a mistake in breaking the rules that had severe consequences. The team learned a valuable lesson.

Not that I've ever seen.

In true double elimination, a team continues to participate and has a chance to win the championship until they have lost twice. What Oregon does have is a consolation bracket....sometimes called double elimination...but not accurately so.

It is true that two losses means you're done, but 3 teams end the Oregon Tourney with just a single loss....the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th place teams (8 team final tourney in each class).

W+W+W = Champion
W+W+L = 2nd
W+L+W = 3rd
W+L+L = 5th
L+W+W = 4th
L+W+L = 6th
L+L = OUT