Horrible officiating! (NCAA)

[Adam]

Rut would agree with you that the announcers don't know the rules, he just finds it ironic that someone who acknowledges that would use announcers as backup for an opinion about football officials.

And to come here bashing judgment calls? "Judgment calls" are rarely "clearly" anything, right or wrong.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Rut would agree with you that the announcers don't know the rules, he just finds it ironic that someone who acknowledges that would use announcers as backup for an opinion about football officials.

And to come here bashing judgment calls? "Judgment calls" are rarely "clearly" anything, right or wrong.

Judgment calls such as the phantom holding on Seattle in the SB against Pittsburgh when Hasselbeck completed the pass to Stevens inside the Pittsburgh five.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Judgment calls such as the phantom holding on Seattle in the SB against Pittsburgh when Hasselbeck completed the pass to Stevens inside the Pittsburgh five.

Holding their shoulder is a phantom call?

You are proving my point by your words. I figured it would be a matter of time.

Peace

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Actually I have no problem talking about judgment calls, but I at least am in a better position to judge those than you are who has never worked a football game. And many of those complaints you have made, you did not know the rule/philosophy/expectations similar to what you are saying about Knight in this thread.

A better position?! Philosophy? You mean your philosophy of "defend at all costs"? It's useless because even with judgment calls, you claim they used the correct judgment and will use any rule/philosophy/expectation to justify it.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Holding their shoulder is a phantom call?

You are proving my point by your words. I figured it would be a matter of time.

Peace

Is that something they call at every other point in the game or season? No, of course not. If it's called then, why not call it every time?

How about the "block below the waist" thing when Hasselbeck went to tackle the defensive back after the interception? I know there's a rule about not hitting a blocker below the waste, but he was clearly going for the ball carrier. That is never called and you know it.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by zm1283

A better position?! Philosophy? You mean your philosophy of "defend at all costs"? It's useless because even with judgment calls, you claim they used the correct judgment and will use any rule/philosophy/expectation to justify it.

No, philosophy of the rules and at the level being discussed. I didn't see the play, and I'll say it's possible they missed something. However, I'll take the word of someone who officiates football over someone who hasn't.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Is that something they call at every other point in the game or season? No, of course not. If it's called then, why not call it every time?

The holding call was, as you said, a "judgement" call, and that judgement was by the official on the field at that moment. Not after the benefit of replays from 3 or 4 different angles.

Originally Posted by zm1283

How about the "block below the waist" thing when Hasselbeck went to tackle the defensive back after the interception? I know there's a rule about not hitting a blocker below the waste, but he was clearly going for the ball carrier. That is never called and you know it.

The Hasselbeck penalty was a missed call, IMO. But all it did was give Pittsburgh 15 extra yards, it did not cancel a score or change possession of the ball. But I have seen that call made plenty of times. To say it's never called is a complete statement of bulls**t and shows maybe you haven't watched as much football as you claim you have.


But you go beyond those comments, you call NFL officials imcompetent b/c they make calls you don't agree with.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by zm1283

A better position?! Philosophy? You mean your philosophy of "defend at all costs"? It's useless because even with judgment calls, you claim they used the correct judgment and will use any rule/philosophy/expectation to justify it.

You have not even been here a year, you have no idea what I talk about or do not talk about in relationship to anything on the football field. And you are not a football official if I remember correctly. There are philosophies that you clearly do not understand and when explained to you, you had nothing better than to rip the officials for missing the calls. We discuss all kinds of calls all the time, but we have more to say that "that was a horrible call."

Originally Posted by zm1283

Is that something they call at every other point in the game or season? No, of course not. If it's called then, why not call it every time?

How many NFL Training tapes have you personally seen? Well I have seen them. We have an NFL Super Bowl Umpire in my association. It is not unusual for him or the 2 other NFL officials to bring tapes of calls directly from the NFL to show things that need to be called or that have been called. Yes, that holding was very consistent with other calls. And if we look at just this Super Bowl, you thought a "take down" was not the right call if I remember correctly.

Originally Posted by zm1283

How about the "block below the waist" thing when Hasselbeck went to tackle the defensive back after the interception? I know there's a rule about not hitting a blocker below the waste, but he was clearly going for the ball carrier. That is never called and you know it.

If I remember correctly this has been called before and the contact was not because he made only contact with the runner. I believe he made contact with a blocker, which you see from time to time. Here is the thing; you were not there during those discussions. You have no idea what was talked about. Do not go back to a play that happened almost 4 Super Bowls ago, what about this one. And this one you were way off base and made claims you knew nothing about. So why is Knight so wrong, but you are so right?

Peace

[mbyron]

You guys are off topic. Get your own thread.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mbyron

You guys are off topic. Get your own thread.

Shut up. I'm enjoying this.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If I remember correctly this has been called before and the contact was not because he made only contact with the runner. I believe he made contact with a blocker, which you see from time to time. Here is the thing; you were not there during those discussions. You have no idea what was talked about. Do not go back to a play that happened almost 4 Super Bowls ago, what about this one. And this one you were way off base and made claims you knew nothing about. So why is Knight so wrong, but you are so right?

Of course you do. Defensive players trying to tackle a ball carrier contact blockers all the time, but that is the only time I have ever seen that called.

This one what? This year's Super Bowl? Just because you don't like it that I disagreed with certain calls doesn't mean they didn't kick them.

Knight was showing pure ignorance about a rule that he didn't even know. He also was talking about a basketball official's mechanic that had nothing to do with rules or judgment.

I'm not going to keep this up with you. You have your ways and no one is going to change your mind.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Of course you do. Defensive players trying to tackle a ball carrier contact blockers all the time, but that is the only time I have ever seen that called.

There was a little more to that call, but as stated before the NFL said that was a missed call and the call did not change the outcome. I can look at any football game and find a possibly missed call. And the fact that there is replay in the NFL, it happens from time to time.

Originally Posted by zm1283

This one what? This year's Super Bowl? Just because you don't like it that I disagreed with certain calls doesn't mean they didn't kick them.

I have no problem if you disagree with the calls, but at least educate yourself about the situation when you complain. As I said many of us have had our disagreements about calls, but most of us know what is expected of those officials or try to find out what is expected. You on the other hand have called the officials incompetent and did not even know what was expected or if the calls were appropriate. And in a couple of cases, the NFL backed the officials completely and said why. This Super Bowl was a perfect example of that based on your comments. This is why you are getting reamed for your comments here now.

Originally Posted by zm1283

Knight was showing pure ignorance about a rule that he didn't even know. He also was talking about a basketball official's mechanic that had nothing to do with rules or judgment.

And you did the exact same thing on the football board and you were showing your ignorance.

Originally Posted by zm1283

I'm not going to keep this up with you. You have your ways and no one is going to change your mind.

I do not expect to change what you think either. I am just pointing out that it is funny you are on Knight about his ignorance, but do not want to acknowledge your own ignorance in a sport you have about as much knowledge about in the officiating capacity. And I am clearly not the only one that has made that point today.

Peace

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Just because you don't like it that I disagreed with certain calls doesn't mean they didn't kick them.

The thing is, you just didn't disagree with some calls. You went as far as to call football officials, as a whole, incompetent.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by zm1283

How about the "block below the waist" thing when Hasselbeck went to tackle the defensive back after the interception? I know there's a rule about not hitting a blocker below the waste, but he was clearly going for the ball carrier. That is never called and you know it.

Are you talking about the flag in the SB that was near the sideline? If so, Mike Pereira has gone on record to say that it was an incorrect call.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Are you talking about the flag in the SB that was near the sideline? If so, Mike Pereira has gone on record to say that it was an incorrect call.

Oh, even better! Pereira has admitted that the screwed it up and JRut still finds a way to defend it. Truly shocking. (And yes, it was the one right by the sideline)

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by zm1283

You conveniently leave out the fact that basketball commentators don't know the rules, and those "same officials" you're talking about here are talking about judgment calls that are clearly wrong. You also leave out the fact that you refuse to post anything that could be construed as admitting that a football official might have missed a call. On the other hand, I routinely point it out if I think a basketball official kicked a call.

Actually I have no problem talking about judgment calls, but I at least am in a better position to judge those than you are who has never worked a football game. And many of those complaints you have made, you did not know the rule/philosophy/expectations similar to what you are saying about Knight in this thread.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Rut would agree with you that the announcers don't know the rules, he just finds it ironic that someone who acknowledges that would use announcers as backup for an opinion about football officials.

And to come here bashing judgment calls? "Judgment calls" are rarely "clearly" anything, right or wrong.

Exactly!!!

Peace