2009-2010 rule changes

[nine01c]

I would like to see "Flopping" become a delayed dead ball. Allow the offensive player A to continue his try for goal (usually a lay-up). If successful, score the goal. Whether successful of not, call the FLOP a violation and give the ball back to A.

This is supposed to be called a Technical Foul (due to unsporting act) but is rarely called due to the severity of the penalty. This is similar to the swinging of the elbows (without contact) and running out of bounds (to avoid a pick) which were both changed from a T to a violation a few years ago. Officials were also reluctant to call these acts Technical Fouls.

I think this change would clean up the Flopping when players decide they don't want to lose possession of the ball (again). Just an idea.

[Adam]

I've found a no-call works just as well for the borderline flop. Coaches know why you didn't call it, and invariably chew their players out for not staying with the play.

If it's obvious that he's faking being fouled, give one warning and move on. "Flopping" is not a T, "faking being fouled" is. There's a difference.

[Adam]

I have two:
Make it so the AP arrow only gives the team the ball at their disposal for a throwin, rather than a complete throwin. Flip the arrow when it's at the disposal of the thrower, as all action after that is a direct result of the throwin and in my opinion the AP has done it's job.

Close Pandora's box and take away the timeout request from the coaches during a live ball.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I have two:
Make it so the AP arrow only gives the team the ball at their disposal for a throwin, rather than a complete throwin. Flip the arrow when it's at the disposal of the thrower, as all action after that is a direct result of the throwin and in my opinion the AP has done it's job.

So, B can foul before the bonus, A will still get the throw-in for the foul, but now they also lose the arrow, even though the throw-in was never completed?

Or, you can use the following quote:

Originally Posted by Semi-esteemed member

I think you're attempting to solve a problem that is purely philosophical.

[Adam]

I was going to specifically request you not post that picture when I wrote that.

I also caught the irony as I wrote to Texas Aggie. The difference is I'm admitting it's philosophical.

And, my point is that the throwin does not have to be completed, it only needs to be started for the arrow to have done it's job. I admit, however, that the committee wants there to be a full throwin following each AP opportunity before it switches.

I will say, however, that it's a bit inconsistent to reverse the arrow on an offensive violation but not an offensive foul.

BTW, I just realized the arrow would not switch if the offense commits a kicking violation before the throwin is over. It only switches on a legal touch or a "throwin violation."

[DonInKansas]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Close Pandora's box and take away the timeout request from the coaches during a live ball.

This. A lot. This would keep our attention where it needs to be: on the floor.

[Old_School]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

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"Flopping" is not a T, "faking being fouled" is. There's a difference.

Maybe you think so, but the NFHS disagrees with you. According to the NFHS, they're exactly the same thing.

See POE #4B labelled "Flopping" in the NFHS 2004-05 Rule Book. Note the sentence there-in saying "Coaches can have a positive impact by appropriately dealing with players who fake being fouled." The penalty for "flopping" is also set out as a technical foul.

[Adam]

Good point, I made my point poorly. My point is that many officials feel that falling early, or falling without any contact, is the same as faking being fouled. They are not the same.

Too often I see those actions referred to as "flopping," and I just fell into the same trap.