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Old Tue Feb 24, 2009, 11:44am
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.... If the school wants to hire the lady as the head coach and list her as the head coach on the team roster they can do that as being the head coach does not require the use of the coaching box.
She was the HC before becoming paralyzed. She retained her job after the surgical accident as she rightfully should have been allowed to do. Being a HC doesn't require the use of legs. The Michigan High School Athletic Association has provided the necessary guidance to handle the situation.

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I agree with everything that Nevada said. There is no reason for the MichiganHSAA to make the stupid ruling that it did in otherwords logic was not used when finding a solution or a ruling.
What's so stupid about the ruling? The AC gets to stand to coach the kids. He gets no other HC privileges.
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Old Tue Feb 24, 2009, 12:23pm
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I just had a game in which the HC was in the wheelchair. The coaches in her conference and district have gotten used to it, and they were of no opposition when she requested that her AC would stand and request the timeout when they wanted to request one. We three officials had no problem with it either. Of course, I had no problems with making whatever accomodations because I am a person covered under the ADA as well, and I don't think my partners wanted to mess around on that topic (because they know very well that lecturing about the rights and privileges covered under the ADA is part of my day job!).
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Old Tue Feb 24, 2009, 01:02pm
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She was the HC before becoming paralyzed. She retained her job after the surgical accident as she rightfully should have been allowed to do. Being a HC doesn't require the use of legs. The Michigan High School Athletic Association has provided the necessary guidance to handle the situation.



What's so stupid about the ruling? The AC gets to stand to coach the kids. He gets no other HC privileges.

Read my post completely and some of the others who have posted who, like me, have officiated games where one of the teams was coached by a HC in a wheel chair. The HC in the wheel chair was able to do his job without any special considerations. I am going to catch a hell of a lot a heat for my next comment and that is this: Of all of the HC's in wheel chairs, it was only HC of the female persuasion that complained she couldn't do her job and needed an AC to stand. I am not condoning the unprofessional conduct of the officials in her game, but if other HC's in wheel chairs can do their job without special considerations, so can she.

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Old Tue Feb 24, 2009, 02:38pm
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Read my post completely and some of the others who have posted who, like me, have officiated games where one of the teams was coached by a HC in a wheel chair. The HC in the wheel chair was able to do his job without any special considerations. I am going to catch a hell of a lot a heat for my next comment and that is this: Of all of the HC's in wheel chairs, it was only HC of the female persuasion that complained she couldn't do her job and needed an AC to stand. I am not condoning the unprofessional conduct of the officials in her game, but if other HC's in wheel chairs can do their job without special considerations, so can she.

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The Lady coach complained, or asked the State association ?
The Men coaches asked the State association and were turned down ?
Did the State association act on it's own or per request ?
Tell me the rest of the story, I don't know it.
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Old Tue Feb 24, 2009, 03:06pm
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... Of all of the HC's in wheel chairs, it was only HC of the female persuasion that complained she couldn't do her job and needed an AC to stand...
After re-reading the article I don't see where she complained she couldn't do her job. The official asked her a question and she answered it. The official could just have easily had said "You have a choice, if you want the AC to stand then he is the HC, if you want to be recognized as the HC, then the AC cannot stand." Now maybe you are privy to some inside information, but based on this article I see nowhere that she did something wrong or whiny, other than confronting the officials after the game.

BTW, I once had a male HC with a broken leg who asked if his AC could stand to call for T-O's. We had no problem with it and neither did the opposing coach. And no one thought he was whiny.
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Old Tue Feb 24, 2009, 03:48pm
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BTW, I once had a male HC with a broken leg who asked if his AC could stand to call for T-O's. We had no problem with it and neither did the opposing coach. And no one thought he was whiny.
And, I once had a coach with laryngitis who asked if his assistant could act as head coach. No problem.
...Yeah, I had to politely remind of that a coupla times.
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Old Wed Feb 25, 2009, 04:56pm
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What's so stupid about the ruling? The AC gets to stand to coach the kids. He gets no other HC privileges.
Assistants do not get to stand. The head coach can use the box if he wishes. If this lady who can't walk wants someone else to stand then that person must be the official head coach. The lady can still be listed as the head coach on the roster and she can still make all the decisions and stuff.

This is all caused by some wheelchair using lady wanting to complain. She can be in the box in her wheelchair. She can sit on the bench and never use the box. Both of those are fine options for her. If she wants someone else to use the box then that guy is the head coach.
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Old Wed Feb 25, 2009, 05:19pm
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Assistants do not get to stand. The head coach can use the box if he wishes. If this lady who can't walk wants someone else to stand then that person must be the official head coach. The lady can still be listed as the head coach on the roster and she can still make all the decisions and stuff.

This is all caused by some wheelchair using lady wanting to complain. She can be in the box in her wheelchair. She can sit on the bench and never use the box. Both of those are fine options for her. If she wants someone else to use the box then that guy is the head coach.
Apparently not in Michigan.
Did you not read the article?
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