Inadvertent Timeout

[jdmara]

This is why I hate doing little kids tourneys. If something goofy is going to happen, it will happen in these tourneys. Here is the situation:

Tied ball game 35-35. Both teams have used their allotted timeouts for the game. Team A inbounds the ball in their BC and dribbles directly into a half court trap at the division line. The T is right on top of the play at the division line (away from the benches) and I am L on the endline (and have slid strong side). Over top of all the noise in the gym I hear "Timeout"! I look over to see the coach standing up as I hear "Timeout" again. My partner at the division line and I both whistle and grant the timeout.

The problem being..."timeout" was being yelled by a partner directly behind the coach...Opps. We were saved by the tourney rules though. Tourney rules states: "Coaches shall remained seated at all time (unless they are calling timeout or assisting an injured player). Penalty: Technical Foul"

Either way we have a technical. But lets say that rule is not in effect.

5.8.3 Sit E addresses a misunderstood coach (saying "Side out" instead "timeout") but what if a) a fan "requests" timeout or b) an assistant coach or player on the bench?

I believe I've read a case play or interpretation on this situation but of course I cannot find it. Of course most of us would rather not have the bench be able to grant timeout but we can't change that.

-Josh

[mick]

Originally Posted by jdmara

This is why I hate doing little kids tourneys. If something goofy is going to happen, it will happen in these tourneys. Here is the situation:

Tied ball game 35-35. Both teams have used their allotted timeouts for the game. Team A inbounds the ball in their BC and dribbles directly into a half court trap at the division line. The T is right on top of the play at the division line (away from the benches) and I am L on the endline (and have slid strong side). Over top of all the noise in the gym I hear "Timeout"! I look over to see the coach standing up as I hear "Timeout" again. My partner at the division line and I both whistle and grant the timeout.

The problem being..."timeout" was being yelled by a partner directly behind the coach...Opps. We were saved by the tourney rules though. Tourney rules states: "Coaches shall remained seated at all time (unless they are calling timeout or assisting an injured player). Penalty: Technical Foul"

Either way we have a technical. But lets say that rule is not in effect.

5.8.3 Sit E addresses a misunderstood coach (saying "Side out" instead "timeout") but what if a) a fan "requests" timeout or b) an assistant coach or player on the bench?

I believe I've read a case play or interpretation on this situation but of course I cannot find it. Of course most of us would rather not have the bench be able to grant timeout but we can't change that.

-Josh

If the coach didn't want it, just resume play at point of interruption.

[dbking]

Game management vs. by the book....

Always, be patient with the whistle and verify that the coach is the one calling time out. I would look at him and make him say it again especially if you have informed him that he is out of time outs.

By rule, if you granted a time out, it must be taken.

By game management, coach did not call, you have a IW and go with POI which is the ball back to team with the ball. I would chose this and take the heat from the other coach. I would tell him that he would get the same break as the other guy.

[ga314ref]

Originally Posted by dbking

Game management vs. by the book....

Always, be patient with the whistle and verify that the coach is the one calling time out. I would look at him and make him say it again especially if you have informed him that he is out of time outs.

Did this the other night with a jackass coach. The jackass really wanted a timeout.

[Forksref]

This is why I didn't like the rule change that allowed coaches to call the timeout during a live ball. I've probably had coaches mad at me because I didn't hear them make the request. I'd rather they be mad than me grant one that I wasn't 100% certain that it was requested.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by dbking

By rule, if you granted a time out, it must be taken.

Not if he doesn't request one. What you call good game management here is also the rule.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Forksref

This is why I didn't like the rule change that allowed coaches to call the timeout during a live ball.

(Almost) no one here likes the change.

It's not going away.

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by jdmara

Tourney rules states: "Coaches shall remained seated at all time (unless they are calling timeout or assisting an injured player). Penalty: Technical Foul"

So it isn't legal for him to stand and clap after an outstanding play? I'll never understand why local know-nothings come along and try to change rules set by national organizations. All they had to do was not elect to use the coaching box rule.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Forksref

This is why I didn't like the rule change that allowed coaches to call the timeout during a live ball. I've probably had coaches mad at me because I didn't hear them make the request. I'd rather they be mad than me grant one that I wasn't 100% certain that it was requested.

I think that I know what you mean, but I just want to check. If I'm not mistaken, the NFHS rule change was from not allowing coaches to ever request a timeout, to allowing coaches to request a timeout when previously only players were allowed to request a timeout under the same circumstances (player holding or dribbling the ball, during a dead ball period). I don't believe that the NFHS allowed coaches to request a timeout, even during a dead ball, previous to the rule change?