What constitutes a sub reporting?

[LocDog249]

Had a pretty good BV game last night, in a fairly loud gym. My question is, what constitutes a sub as giving their number to the score keeper? The keeper said the visiting players were not verbally giving their number when they reported, and that they were only walking up and pulling out (not untucking) the front of their jersey to show the number.
To me, if the score keeper sees this, then he should also see the number and realize who is reporting in. I know most score keepers have no problem with this as "reporting" but it did get me thinking about what is considered legally reporting.

(My first post!)

[Raymond]

I believe at one time (before I became an official) that is was required for players to report their numbers to the table.

[Kelvin green]

I have never had a scorekeeper keep track of whose reported in. And what is the penalty if the dont report the number.... Tell the keeper to get over it...

If it is part of the quarter thing that some states have , they should be bale to get the number walking on the floor....

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I believe at one time (before I became an official) that is was required for players to report their numbers to the table.

And the reason I said this is that I remember back in my military playing days being told I need to report my number then one season being told by table personnel that the rule had changed and it was no longer a requirement.

[LocDog249]

Well if a player does not report to the scorer then it is a technical foul against them. And yeah I think that the score keeper was being uptight since he saw the jersey and could see the number. But my question is what constitutes reporting? Do they verbally have to give their number, show them their number, etc....

[BktBallRef]

A substitute who desires to enter shall report to the scorer, giving his/her number. If he doesn't verbalize it, the scorer should still be able to hopefully read it.

They're no longer required to give the number of the player they're replacing.

I'd tell the scorer to chill out.

[Rich]

I know it's going to be a long night when a scorer tries to exhibit a little authority.

I had one last season who told me I couldn't whistle in a sub who was still walking to the table. I told the scorer to think again. Of course, half the time the sub would be sitting there and there'd be no horn and the only sound WAS my whistle...

[LocDog249]

Yeah, at the time I was not sure if the rules said they had to verbalize or not and it was the second half, so I couldn't check my book at the half. I did just ask the coach to make sure they could verbalize better. I think the scorer was just uptight because it was a "big game" and they were playing the team that is usually at the top of the conference.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by LocDog249

Yeah, at the time I was not sure if the rules said they had to verbalize or not and it was the second half, so I couldn't check my book at the half. I did just ask the coach to make sure they could verbalize better. I think the scorer was just uptight because it was a "big game" and they were playing the team that is usually at the top of the conference.

Sounds like the scorer was fishing for a T.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Sounds like the scorer was fishing for a T.

Noobs: this is an obscure reference and a joke.

[Stat-Man]

Personally, I'm happy if they at least come down to where my timer partner and I sit. I even put an X down on the floor at the star of each year. All too many times, teams will just have their subs kneel at the far end of the table and unless we spot them there, we don't know they want to enter game.

{Quote by RichMSN} I had one last season who told me I couldn't whistle in a sub who was still walking to the table. {/quote}

Hmm, a local well respected college official I know once told my former college table crew that subs had to be at the table and that a coach or player calling out "sub! sub! sub!" doesn't get them in the game. This isn't volleyball after all. Now if the offical wants to let them in early, I'm sure not going to argue.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Stat-Man

Personally, I'm happy if they at least come down to where my timer partner and I sit. I even put an X down on the floor at the star of each year. All too many times, teams will just have their subs kneel at the far end of the table and unless we spot them there, we don't know they want to enter game.

{Quote by RichMSN} I had one last season who told me I couldn't whistle in a sub who was still walking to the table. {/quote}

Hmm, a local well respected college official I know once told my former college table crew that subs had to be at the table and that a coach or player calling out "sub! sub! sub!" doesn't get them in the game. This isn't volleyball after all. Now if the offical wants to let them in early, I'm sure not going to argue.

I'd rather not hold up the game and I'm sure not going to put the ball in play while a sub is walking to the table. I'll pick other battles.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I'd rather not hold up the game and I'm sure not going to put the ball in play while a sub is walking to the table. I'll pick other battles.

OTOH, if my partner is ready to administer the throw-in, I'm not waiting on the sub.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

OTOH, if my partner is ready to administer the throw-in, I'm not waiting on the sub.

That's when I would blow my whistle and beckon, even if the sub is still a few steps from the X.