Didn't like the ending

[jeffpea]

my main reason for NOT wanting to "flip a coin" on jump balls is simply because my partners won't use a coin of their own - they're so cheap, they won't "pay attention"....

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by jeffpea

my main reason for NOT wanting to "flip a coin" on jump balls is simply because my partners won't use a coin of their own - they're so cheap, they won't "pay attention"....

Just like the home team provides a game ball, have the home team provide a coin. If they can't produce one, the V gets the first possession. Make sure the coin doesn't have the same picture on each side.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by mbyron

According to Benford's Law.

Is that anything like Burke's Law?

"Never ask a question unless you already know the answer. Burke's Law." (Amos Burke)

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Make sure the coin doesn't have the same picture on each side.

Like the double-headed 1922 Peace Dollar trademark coin used by Harvey Dent/Two-Face in the Batman flick, "The Dark Knight", which he flips when making important decisions?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

BillyMac, here's a thread just for you.

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

I think we do quite a good job at tossing the ball up.

The toss isn't the main problem, although it may be a part of the problem. It's the umpire watching the eight non-jumpers. Too many rules, in too little time, used too infrequently. On the circle, off the circle, marked spaces, ready to toss, ball tossed but not touched, ball touched, moving into a marked space, leaving marked space, moving into an unmarked space, etc. Many officials I know, as the umpire, just hope that nothing weird happens, and just look for fouls, and out of bounds, during a jump ball, and sometimes, I include myself in that group, on a bad night. The only problem I have with a coin toss is, I believe, that they tried it in Iowa, for girls games, several years ago, and they went back to jump ball. They must have found a problem with a coin toss. Officials from the Hawkeye State, please share any pertinent information with us.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by jeffpea

Why is it that the NFC, including this year, has won the last 11 Super Bowl coin flips to start the game (and 14 of the last 15)?

At least NFC captains don't call, "Heads, tails", like a Pittsburgh captain did a few years ago, which caused the creation of new rules and mechanics for NFL coin tosses.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

At least NFC captains don't call, "Heads, tails", like a Pittsburgh captain did a few years ago, which caused the creation of new rules and mechanics for NFL coin tosses.

Yup. Jermoe Bettis flubbed that one. He knew it, too. Good call by the R, imho.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

The toss isn't the main problem, although it may be a part of the problem. It's the umpire watching the eight non-jumpers. Too many rules, in too little time, used too infrequently. On the circle, off the circle, marked spaces, ready to toss, ball tossed but not touched, ball touched, moving into a marked space, leaving marked space, moving into an unmarked space, etc. Many officials I know, as the umpire, just hope that nothing weird happens, and just look for fouls, and out of bounds, during a jump ball, and sometimes, I include myself in that group, on a bad night. The only problem I have with a coin toss is, I believe, that they tried it in Iowa, for girls games, several years ago, and they went back to jump ball. They must have found a problem with a coin toss. Officials from the Hawkeye State, please share any pertinent information with us.

Good points. A few things I have noticed in my neck of the woods: teams so rarely use the ability to run the endline, and they mostly stay still during the jump ball. Every jump, I give myself the self-talk about what jumpers and non-jumpers can and cannot do. JP violations just don't happen, I find.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

The toss isn't the main problem, although it may be a part of the problem. It's the umpire watching the eight non-jumpers. Too many rules, in too little time, used too infrequently. On the circle, off the circle, marked spaces, ready to toss, ball tossed but not touched, ball touched, moving into a marked space, leaving marked space, moving into an unmarked space, etc. Many officials I know, as the umpire, just hope that nothing weird happens, and just look for fouls, and out of bounds, during a jump ball, and sometimes, I include myself in that group, on a bad night. The only problem I have with a coin toss is, I believe, that they tried it in Iowa, for girls games, several years ago, and they went back to jump ball. They must have found a problem with a coin toss. Officials from the Hawkeye State, please share any pertinent information with us.

No problems, I don't think. What kind of problems could there possibly be. The girls just started moving towards alignment with the boys rules by removing a bunch of their "adaptations," and the coin toss was the first to go.

It felt silly to me.

[ga314ref]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Well, if your question is whether 14/15 is 50%, the answer is no. But the prior probability of flipping a heads is 0.5, even though it doesn't seem that way.

In fact, according to Benford's Law, a long string of the same result would be expected given a long enough series of tosses.

According to Dr. Benford, I'm only 40 years from being even in poker.

[Forksref]

If I were to consider any change in the held ball rule, I'd award the ball to the defensive player's team for a throw-in in order to reward the defense.

This would not be the case on rebounds that were joint possession before either team could get possession. In this case I'd go with the AP.

Thank the Lord that we have AP instead of jump balls. And we all know it came about because of girls BB.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Forksref

If I were to consider any change in the held ball rule, I'd award the ball to the defensive player's team for a throw-in in order to reward the defense.

This would not be the case on rebounds that were joint possession before either team could get possession. In this case I'd go with the AP.

Thank the Lord that we have AP instead of jump balls. And we all know it came about because of girls BB.

Best thing the NCAA did was get rid of that experiment. The defense gets enough of a reward for this as it is. They either get the ball or force the opponent to use up their arrow to keep it.