30- and 60-second time-outs

[Rich]

On the way out last night, the visiting coach (who was a very pleasant lady, even after getting beat by 45 points) asked me a question about 30-second time-outs.

She said something like: I know the players have to stay on the floor, but can the other players come off the bench and get in a circle on the court.

The only restriction I know of in NFHS ball is that there should be no on-court entertainment during the 30-second time-out. Is there anything else that was put forward nationally?

I know other officials say things like "no chairs," "players must stay on the floor," but I get the feeling all of this is hooey, myths that then become part of the rules. I told her that there was no restriction that I was aware of in high school basketball other than the warning horn is at 15 seconds and the team should be getting ready to play at the warning horn, ready to go on the second horn.

Thanks for any manual, casebook, or rulebook citations you may have.

[Lotto]

Rule 5-13, Art. 2. During any timeout, bench personnel and players shall locate themselves inside an imaginary rectangle formed by the boundaries of the sideline (including the bench), end line, and an imaginary line extended from the free-throw lane line nearest the bench area meeting an imaginary line extended from the coaching-box line.

[Nevadaref]

Rich, you are correct. There was an NFHS ruling a few years ago which stated that the rest of the team could come out onto the court and join in the huddle as the coach would be giving instructions. I believe this was made in a comment on the rules when the time-out length was changed from 20 to 30. I'll go check my books for you.

[Rich]

I know my original post may have been confusing since I was mixing real rules with myths pretty haphazardly.

Also, I know 5-12-5 requires players to remain standing during the 30. The confines of the bench area is similarly defined as in the NCAA in 1-13-3 and both 30s and 60s have to be conducted there. Nothing about players having to be on the court, just standing. That's the myth I was referring to.

The real question I have has to do with other team personnel, which Nevada picked up on.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I know my original post may have been confusing since I was mixing real rules with myths pretty haphazardly.

Also, I know 5-12-5 requires players to remain standing during the 30. The confines of the bench area is similarly defined as in the NCAA in 1-13-3 and both 30s and 60s have to be conducted there. Nothing about players having to be on the court, just standing. That's the myth I was referring to.

The real question I have has to do with other team personnel, which Nevada picked up on.

And your real question was clarified by the NFHS back in the 2001-02 Comments on the Rules Revisions. It was longer ago than I thought. That was the year that the NFHS added the requirement that players must remain standing during a 30-second time-out.


REQUIREMENT TO STAND DURING 30-SECOND TIME-OUT (5-12-5):
To clarify and ensure consistent interpretation, during a 30-second time-out, players shall remain standing and on the floor in the vicinity of their team bench. Additional discussion reflected concerns about some states not enforcing the 'no cheerleaders' on the floor during a 30-second time-out and whether or not substitutes should be permitted to join the conference with the coach(es) and players. Because of instructions that may be given, the interpretation has been that team substitutes should be able to participate in the time-out meeting.
A reminder that teams must be prepared and leave the huddle when the 10-second warning signal is sounded.

*Note the warning signal was changed to 15 seconds prior to the end of the time-out period in the 2007-08 season.


Good job, Rich. You gave the coach the proper ruling.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

And your real question was clarified by the NFHS back in the 2001-02 Comments on the Rules Revisions. It was longer ago than I thought. That was the year that the NFHS added the requirement that players must remain standing during a 30-second time-out.


REQUIREMENT TO STAND DURING 30-SECOND TIME-OUT (5-12-5):
To clarify and ensure consistent interpretation, during a 30-second time-out, players shall remain standing and on the floor in the vicinity of their team bench. Additional discussion reflected concerns about some states not enforcing the 'no cheerleaders' on the floor during a 30-second time-out and whether or not substitutes should be permitted to join the conference with the coach(es) and players. Because of instructions that may be given, the interpretation has been that team substitutes should be able to participate in the time-out meeting.
A reminder that teams must be prepared and leave the huddle when the 10-second warning signal is sounded.

*Note the warning signal was changed to 15 seconds prior to the end of the time-out period in the 2007-08 season.


Good job, Rich. You gave the coach the proper ruling.

Except for the part where they are to remain "on the floor." I did miss that.

I emailed the coach. She will probably think I'm crazy for including a 7-year-old passage, but I think she deserved a better answer than I gave her last night, although I was pretty much correct.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Except for the part where they are to remain "on the floor." I did miss that.

I emailed the coach. She will probably think I'm crazy for including a 7-year-old passage, but I think she deserved a better answer than I gave her last night, although I was pretty much correct.

YOU'RE crazy?!?! How about me?

I knew that I had read the ruling before and also exactly where to find it! Sometimes I'm amazed at how my own mind works. It shouldn't be long before BillyMac comes along to tell me how sick it is that I can come up with a seven year-old ruling in just a few minutes.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

YOU'RE crazy?!?! How about me?

I knew that I had read the ruling before and also exactly where to find it! Sometimes I'm amazed at how my own mind works. It shouldn't be long before BillyMac comes along to tell me how sick it is that I can come up with a seven year-old ruling in just a few minutes.

And when he does, I'll second it.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

And when he does, I'll second it.

Shut up.

[bob jenkins]

I think the myth comes about because during the interval to replace a DQ'd player, the coach can talk to the players but the other team members may not stand.

[BillyMac]

[QUOTE=Nevadaref;580741 It shouldn't be long before BillyMac comes along to tell me how sick it is that I can come up with a seven year-old ruling in just a few minutes.[/QUOTE]

I never said that you were "sick". I just think that it's an amazing ability. Wish I cold do the same.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I think the myth comes about because during the interval to replace a DQ'd player, the coach can talk to the players but the other team members may not stand.

Sounds right, but, as usual, for me, citation please.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

i think the myth comes about because during the interval to replace a dq'd player, the coach can talk to the players but the other team members may not stand.

Originally Posted by billymac

sounds right, but, as usual, for me, citation please.

2003-04 POINTS OF EMPHASIS

5. Substituting -- Player disqualifications

F. Only the head coach is permitted to be standing during this interval.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Sounds right, but, as usual, for me, citation please.

Try rule 10 -- when are bench personnel allowed to stand? Is this situation one of those times?

Not trying to be harsh, but you'd remember more if the interps (like NevadaRef) iand know where to find them (like NevadaRef) if you'd spend more time trying to find them in the first place (like NevadaRef).

(grammatical errors intentional).

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

(grammatical errors intentional).

Is this code for, "Yeah, I see them, but I don't want to go back and fix them"?