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Old Fri Feb 13, 2009, 01:42pm
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This is not meant to focus on TrojanHorse, but toward coaches in general:

I am dumbstruck with the mindset of a coach who thinks s/he is going to improve the official's performance by publicly berating him/her. Common sense would imply you can only make the situation worse by this behavior.
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I think refs are handy and lots of people have no self control. Kinda of like my new puppy. He thinks he can do what he wants when he wants. My 3 older dogs and myself are there to let him know what the deal is.

I've long ago gotten over people behaving badly so coaches acting up doesn't upset me as much as seeing refs just take the abuse.

About a year and a half into this gig I knew one of two things were gonna happen. one, I quit or two I learn how to deal with the coaches. Through blind luck I stumbled onto this forum and chose to take care of business. I learned how to deal with coaches and I do.

The fact that I'm willing to give T's make ALOT of my partners uncomfortable. If I had a dollar for every time I heard "we don't want to be looking for T's." well I'd have more money then I do. I don't have to look far for T's, thats for sure.

I'm less concerned with the coaches then I am with refs who just let themselves be bullied in gyms nationwide. I also realize I have the advantage of working in a large ASSOC., 120 schools, so I don't have to worry about being "blacklisted" and losing games.I also work for an assignor who believes we let WAY TOO MUCH go from the coaches. He has always had my back.....

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Old Fri Feb 13, 2009, 02:09pm
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... I'm less concerned with the coaches then I am with refs who just let themselves be bullied in gyms nationwide. I also realize I have the advantage of working in a large ASSOC., 120 schools, so I don't have to worry about being "blacklisted" and losing games. I also work for an assignor who believes we let WAY TOO MUCH go from the coaches. He has always had my back.....
I agree about the discouragingly large number of officials who are fearful (or don't chose for whatever reason) to use one of the most effective tools at the official's disposal.

I am also glad to see you recognize that there are significant factors that weigh-in on an official's on court decisions. Sadly, in WI, the coaches submit their ratings of officials. I have observed coaches enter "Awful," "Sucks" etc... by the Officials name in their score book before it leaves the table. Needless to say, I am NOT a proponent of our state Association's evaluation "System."
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Old Fri Feb 13, 2009, 02:32pm
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I agree about the discouragingly large number of officials who are fearful (or don't chose for whatever reason) to use one of the most effective tools at the official's disposal.

I am also glad to see you recognize that there are significant factors that weigh-in on an official's on court decisions. Sadly, in WI, the coaches submit their ratings of officials. I have observed coaches enter "Awful," "Sucks" etc... by the Officials name in their score book before it leaves the table. Needless to say, I am NOT a proponent of our state Association's evaluation "System."
Yea I get that some refs are between a rock and a hard place.

I'm not for 2 reasons.

1. Geography

2. If I had to ref under those circumstances my schedule might be severly cut. Didn't we have someone around here who said he sits home 4 nights a week while the "coach pleasers" work 5 nights a week. I am more then willing to stop reffing if it becomes not so much fun. Don't get me wrong, I love the atmosphere, the continuing quest for improvement and perfection, getting out of the house a couple nights a week, BUT its a hobby and I take it year by year, and the money I make basically pays for road trips to see people like Nevadaref officiate and visit my brother. It's not the be all and end all for me if I couldn't ref anymore-so having that attitude helps in taking care of business.
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Old Fri Feb 13, 2009, 03:17pm
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I am also glad to see you recognize that there are significant factors that weigh-in on an official's on court decisions. Sadly, in WI, the coaches submit their ratings of officials. I have observed coaches enter "Awful," "Sucks" etc... by the Officials name in their score book before it leaves the table. Needless to say, I am NOT a proponent of our state Association's evaluation "System."
This is the biggest reason why a lot of officials in my area are afraid to call technicals. Something really needs to be done about the ratings system.
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