Double Personal Foul in MCAC game

[KJUmp]

Newbie here...saw one called today on TV in a game between St.Peter's & Canisius. 4:51 in 1st half...St.Pete player driving to hoop, contact, a couple players on the floor, announcer& color guy debating whether it's a block or charge while they mention that the refs are huddling. Next thing they say is that it's a double personal foul on Canisius and St.Pete's ball on an endline throw-in.
Question to the vets...are double personal something that you would see often or are they rare?

[dsturdy5]

This came up in our board meeting today. It happened twice at a local division 2 college game yesterday. Our interpreter, rightfully, suggested going up with the fist, making eye contact with your partner(s), and figuring out who has what.

[SethPDX]

If you're talking about a "blarge", one happened in a Pac-10 game up at UW a few weeks back. I think someone posted about another on this board earlier this season.

[BktBallRef]

It happens. High school, college, and even the NBA. It happens.

[bigdog5142]

I just about had one the other night...in fact I should've called it. Had a team running a high post offense all night and the post player & defender were grabbing and pushing and leaning. I had been warning them all night (preventative officiating) but never pulled the trigger. Thinking back on it...all I probably had to do was ring them up for a double foul and it probably would've subsided.

[williebfree]

Originally Posted by bigdog5142

I just about had one the other night...in fact I should've called it. Had a team running a high post offense all night and the post player & defender were grabbing and pushing and leaning. I had been warning them all night (preventative officiating) but never pulled the trigger. Thinking back on it...all I probably had to do was ring them up for a double foul and it probably would've subsided.

A double foul gets everyone's attention and cleans up the aggressive "jostling for position." Use it early if players do not heed verbal redirection.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by williebfree

A double foul gets everyone's attention and cleans up the aggressive "jostling for position." Use it early if players do not heed verbal redirection.

I agree. Early in the season, and early in the game.

[sallender]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

It happens. High school, college, and even the NBA. It happens.

If you have done due diligents in pre-game, IT SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN!!!!

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by sallender

If you have done due diligents in pre-game, IT SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN!!!!

Clearly, you haven't done yours when it comes to spelling.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by sallender

If you have done due diligence in pre-game, IT SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN!!!!

I disagree. It most certainly can happen outside of our control; and where the DF is the correct call. That's part of why it is in the book!

"Never say never, never say always."

[sallender]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

I disagree. It most certainly can happen outside of our control; and where the DF is the correct call. That's part of why it is in the book!

"Never say never, never say always."

Yeah, it's in the book because it does happen, but if you discuss it in pre-game, then it should not happen! If both officials freeze and look first, it should never happen. That's all I'm saying.

And for the NevadaRef, if you want me to start using the dictionary, I will - just 4 U!

[Forksref]

Originally Posted by sallender

If you have done due diligents in pre-game, IT SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN!!!!

WOW! I wish my pre-game could control what players do.

How do you do that?? Do you have magical powers?

Next time I will put DUE DILIGENCE (sp) into my pre-game and then everything will be just peachy.



Kumbaya

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by sallender

If you have done due diligents in pre-game, IT SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN!!!!

Originally Posted by Forksref

WOW! I wish my pre-game could control what players do.

You guys are talking about different things. Sallender is talking about the "blarge". Forks, it seems to me that you're talking about two knuckleheads who legitimately foul each other.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by KJUmp

Newbie here...saw one called today on TV in a game between St.Peter's & Canisius.

How about the final basket of the game? Anyone else think that it might've been tapped in by a defensive player? If so, the ball should've become dead on the horn (since it's not a try) and not counted. I only saw one replay, but it sure looked like the defensive rebounder poked it up in the air.

My book is in my bag. . . Anybody know if we can use replay for that scenario? I think no. . .

[williebfree]

Originally Posted by sallender

If you have done due diligence (spelling corrected) in pre-game, IT SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN!!!!

Welcome aboard Sallender!

And now.... we commence in the meat grinder.

How do you pre-game so that two opposing players "NEVER" become aggressive to a point that you need to intervene. As you will notice in my original post I stated verbal redirection was not enough.

I also realize we are actually addressing two versions of a double foul. I agree that a "Blarge" should (but not always) be avoidable, if properly pre-gamed.