Elbowing

[PSidbury]

Originally Posted by Refsmitty

A1 swings a pretty visious elbow but misses the defender behind him - I call elbow violation - what would you have?

Called it in my last game when the kid rebounded and started flailing his elbows within inches of defender's faces.

To me, an easy "Excessive swinging of elbows".
It even has it's own signal in the NFHS Official Basketball Signals chart.

Now if the kid is swinging his elbows and no one is around him or defenders are retreating from him as he begins to do it... no call.

Paul

[jevaque]

What if B1 controls a rebound with elbows out like some are taught to do and and pivots moving elbows side-to-side but not excessively and makes contact with the defender with his/her elbow???

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by jevaque

What if B1 controls a rebound with elbows out like some are taught to do and and pivots moving elbows side-to-side but not excessively and makes contact with the defender with his/her elbow???

If A1 had a legal position on the court then B1 has commited a personal foul: common foul which in this case a player control foul.

MTD, Sr.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

If A1 had a legal position on the court then B1 has commited a personal foul: common foul which in this case a player control foul.

MTD, Sr.

Only if the defender is within his vertical space. Had a jv game last week where the defender was crouching over top of the opponent who had just secured a rebound. Offensive player pivoted and caught the defender in the face with his elbow. I had nothing, and coach wasn't happy.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Only if the defender is within his vertical space. Had a jv game last week where the defender was crouching over top of the opponent who had just secured a rebound. Offensive player pivoted and caught the defender in the face with his elbow. I had nothing, and coach wasn't happy.

Snaqs:

You should know me better, . A legal position presumes that the defender is in his own vertical space (cylinder of verticality) and not violating the offensive player's cylinder of verticality.

MTD, Sr.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by jevaque

What if B1 controls a rebound with elbows out like some are taught to do and and pivots moving elbows side-to-side but not excessively and makes contact with the defender with his/her elbow???

If it's not excessive (defined in the book as "pivoting from the shoulders"), then it's treated just as any other movement. If the contact caused a disadvantage, call a personal foul.

If it is excessive, then you can have a violation (no contact) or a personal foul (some contact) or an intentional foul (excess contact) or a flagrant foul, ...

Heck -- you might even be able to call it a fight.