My Partner the philsopher

[chartrusepengui]

Originally Posted by Forksref

You learned your lesson with this guy. Find a new partner.

I told other officials that I went to a clinic last Saturday. What I jokingly meant is that the guy I officiated with believes that he must explain to the coaches in detail every call that he makes, whether they ask him or not. Therefore the game takes forever and it is painful to do. I think the guy is insecure to the point that he has to tell everyone what he knows.

I know we can't always choose our partners, but when I get the chance to I try to avoid this guy.

We have a guy in our association like this The last time I had a game with him, I got tired of waiting along with all the players. I know this is not according to hoyle - but I finally blew my whistle and inbounded the ball. After about the 6th or 7th time this occured - he would do his explaining on the fly. Both coaches thanked me after the game.

After the game I tried to explain to him that he didn't need to explain his calls and he shouldn't be talking to the coaches that much - it would get him into trouble eventually. He's been doing bball about a year - started last January. Anyway he began explaining to me that he needed to explain the rule/call to the coaches so they would not "ride" him. I didn't wait for him to finish - I hit the showers. I try and avoid working with him!

[mj]

Originally Posted by chartrusepengui

We have a guy in our association like this The last time I had a game with him, I got tired of waiting along with all the players. I know this is not according to hoyle - but I finally blew my whistle and inbounded the ball. After about the 6th or 7th time this occured - he would do his explaining on the fly. Both coaches thanked me after the game.

After the game I tried to explain to him that he didn't need to explain his calls and he shouldn't be talking to the coaches that much - it would get him into trouble eventually. He's been doing bball about a year - started last January. Anyway he began explaining to me that he needed to explain the rule/call to the coaches so they would not "ride" him. I didn't wait for him to finish - I hit the showers. I try and avoid working with him!

If he's only been doing basketball for a year, I think a little more patience would have been the better way to go.

[Rich]

I worked with a guy twice in the last two weeks who, at the final horn, would grab the basketball and take it to the table. I assumed he was on my hip running off the court, so I stopped at the door and he was still at the table.

I asked him why he was getting the ball, etc. I then said, "Why do you care WHAT happens to the ball? Someone will get it, etc."

He did it again the next game. I hope someday he gets the mother of all confrontations from an unhappy coach -- it's the only way he'll learn, apparently.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I worked with a guy twice in the last two weeks who, at the final horn, would grab the basketball and take it to the table. I assumed he was on my hip running off the court, so I stopped at the door and he was still at the table.

I asked him why he was getting the ball, etc. I then said, "Why do you care WHAT happens to the ball? Someone will get it, etc."

He did it again the next game. I hope someday he gets the mother of all confrontations from an unhappy coach -- it's the only way he'll learn, apparently.

If there is a next time, guess you'll need to include that in the pre-game.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

If there is a next time, guess you'll need to include that in the pre-game.

You know, there are some things you shouldn't have to include in a pregame. I guess this isn't one of them (with him).

Friday night I had 2 technicals in the last minute of a varsity game (well earned) and when we were gathering to discuss the impending free throws, we talked about the exit (the AD was standing there) and how at the horn we would be heading there with good pace -- we just wanted to be sure nobody got turned around and headed in the wrong direction, where the coach could trap one of us. It's just good awareness and knowledge of what's likely to happen, to be honest.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I worked with a guy twice in the last two weeks who, at the final horn, would grab the basketball and take it to the table. I assumed he was on my hip running off the court, so I stopped at the door and he was still at the table. He did it again the next game. I hope someday he gets the mother of all confrontations from an unhappy coach, it's the only way he'll learn, apparently.

Tell him to move to Massachusetts. He can give the ball to the table, and watch kids shake hands, who really don't want to shake hands. Maybe, he'll get into an argument with a coach, and find out that his T-pistol is out of bullets after the final score is approved.

[chartrusepengui]

Originally Posted by mj

If he's only been doing basketball for a year, I think a little more patience would have been the better way to go.

I should also have mentioned that he also does this in volleyball where he has officiated for 15 years, and in softball 5+ years as well. It's just his first year in bball. He has enough experience with the other sports that he should know better than to always be in a coaches face

[zm1283]

I've had a couple of partners who have stopped to shake a coaches hand right after the horn on the way to the locker room. Meanwhile, I'm standing at the door waiting...

[deecee]

I will never forget the partner that told me, after I gave a BV player a T in a close game in the final minutes of the 4th quarter for telling me its tough to play against 6 on the court, that the T was horrible in that stage of the game. I had to respond that he might not value his integrity as much as I did so I understood if he wouldnt make that call. Needless to say we didnt really chat much from then on, ever.

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by mj

If he's only been doing basketball for a year, I think a little more patience would have been the better way to go.

I think Penguin has been around a few years and it sounds like this guy isn't into listening but is into spreading.
Most 1 or 2 year guys should be spending more of their time soaking in what their experieinced partners have to offer rather than expressing their philosophies.

Believe me, I have been at this awhile and even though I have a lot more court time than a lot of the people I work with - they have more time a the levels I now am working, so it I shut up and soak it in and when asked for an opinion, respond with with what I think. But I try never to philosophize over someone more senior on our crew.

[PSidbury]

Originally Posted by chartrusepengui

...I tried to explain to him that he didn't need to explain...

I'm not following, could you explain, please ?

Sorry, couldn't resist

[chartrusepengui]

Originally Posted by PSidbury

I'm not following, could you explain, please ?

Sorry, couldn't resist

I've decided to leave all the splaining to him - he does it soooooooo consistently!

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by chartrusepengui

I've decided to leave all the splaining to him.

An "I Love Lucy / Ricky Ricardo" reference. Neat.