I "T"ed up the score keeper.....

[Terrapins Fan]

Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef

Terps Fan,
Was that the first comment that the visiting scorekeeper made to you during the game? While everyone is focusing on the bench personnel vs. scorekeeper discussion, if that was the first thing you heard from that scorer, I would perhaps have opted for a warning before removal.



While it is hard to do at times, it is important to start each and every game from scratch (i.e. do not walk onto the floor with an attitude concerning what was said in the last game). To do anything else is unfair. Perhaps the coaches on the other team are worse -- you just haven't had them before.

Yes, that was the first remark he had made to me. But he yelled it at the top of his lungs. You can't have people yelling at you from the table when you are trying to report a foul.

2nd, I had experience with this team and this coach and it wasn't a good experience. I had 2 assistant coaches yelling at me during the last game that I refereed for them. I took that into the game with me and decided that I was going to eliminate that problem and I did.

My job is to referee, their job is to coach, not yell at me while I am trying to do my job.

Understand that I have been blessed to do mostly varsity games this year and we don't get as much of the yelling there, neither from the fans nor the coaches. At the 7th and 8th grade level you are getting a lot of parents coaching. Not to many stay too long. So, there is the inexperience factor.

But yes, I brought the experiences that I had with this team into this game and I tried to avoid the problems that I had with them in the past. I don't see how that is wrong. I didn't hold any grudge, just trying to avoid the problems.

I don't care who wins a game, I am just there to do a job.

[doubleringer]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

2nd, I had experience with this team and this coach and it wasn't a good experience. I had 2 assistant coaches yelling at me during the last game that I refereed for them. I took that into the game with me and decided that I was going to eliminate that problem and I did.

Every game is a fresh start. When you walk into a game with this on you're mind, you are in a very similar mindset to a coach that thinks, "Oh, we had this guy last week and he screwed us on a bunch of calls."

We will not let coaches bring up things that happened in previous games, so we also need to go in with a "clean slate". This is extremely difficult to do at the lower levels when officials often see the same teams multiple times and even worse at the weekend tourney level where you are on a floor all day, but it is a mindset that can get you in looking for trouble when there isn't any.

[Adam]

At the same time, there's no reason not to be able to anticipate problems.

As I said before, it's no different than knowing a team has a tendency to steal the tip or back out too early on a free throw.

If you know a coach is a chronic PITA, deal with it early.

[doubleringer]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

At the same time, there's no reason not to be able to anticipate problems.

As I said before, it's no different than knowing a team has a tendency to steal the tip or back out too early on a free throw.

If you know a coach is a chronic PITA, deal with it early.

Agreed, this is a mind set for officials. Personally, when dealing with a coach that has a history, I talk about being aware of the bench during the game. To me, being aware of the bench puts me in the mind set that I'm not going to go looking for a T, but if a situation arises, it needs to be dealt with early.

From the wording, I get the feeling that Terrapins Fan was going into the game looking to T the team for actions in the previous meeting. There is a difference in being aware that problems may arise and looking for problems. I did my share of looking for problems early in my career and I found them when I did.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by doubleringer

Agreed, this is a mind set for officials. Personally, when dealing with a coach that has a history, I talk about being aware of the bench during the game. To me, being aware of the bench puts me in the mind set that I'm not going to go looking for a T, but if a situation arises, it needs to be dealt with early.

From the wording, I get the feeling that Terrapins Fan was going into the game looking to T the team for actions in the previous meeting. There is a difference in being aware that problems may arise and looking for problems. I did my share of looking for problems early in my career and I found them when I did.

I didn't see that from what he wrote, but ok.

[Terrapins Fan]

Originally Posted by doubleringer

From the wording, I get the feeling that Terrapins Fan was going into the game looking to T the team for actions in the previous meeting. There is a difference in being aware that problems may arise and looking for problems. I did my share of looking for problems early in my career and I found them when I did.

I am not "early" in my career, this is my 9th year. I was not looking for a "T"< I could have done that when the assistant coach was stand and coaching. I had already asked who was the head coach.

Would you really allow the score keeper to YELL at you when you are trying to report a foul?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I didn't see that from what he wrote, but ok.

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

I am not "early" in my career, this is my 9th year. I was not looking for a "T"< I could have done that when the assistant coach was stand and coaching. I had already asked who was the head coach.

Would you really allow the score keeper to YELL at you when you are trying to report a foul?

Thought so.