Player pushes Official

[TiManGR]

Ran across this article in local newspaper.
http://highschoolsports.mlive.com/ne...ses-cool-game/

"With 48 seconds left, and Cedar Springs leading 57-54, Comstock Park junior Zach Mull was whistled for a technical foul. Four seconds later, a technical was called on Panthers senior Davary Anthony, who reacted to the call by pushing one of the officials. Anthony was spared an ejection as the technical was his fifth personal foul. With 20 seconds left, the Comstock Park bench was whistled for the team's third technical in a 28-second span."

What would you do if pushed?

[Adam]

Buh Bye! Don't care if it was his fifth or not; it's still gonna be flagrant.

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Buh Bye! Don't care if it was his fifth or not; it's still gonna be flagrant.

Agreed. He got off on a technicality, when instead, a message should have been sent.

[jdmara]

Flagrant. The paper may have the penalty or accessed foul incorrect. Since in high school the player is not required to leave the gym, many get confused.

-Josh

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Buh Bye! Don't care if it was his fifth or not; it's still gonna be flagrant.

Agreed. This player's 5th foul is a flagrant. Buh-bye by two different slices. I would be clear to report it as such too.

Originally Posted by TiManGR

Ran across this article in local newspaper.
http://highschoolsports.mlive.com/ne...ses-cool-game/

"With 48 seconds left, and Cedar Springs leading 57-54, Comstock Park junior Zach Mull was whistled for a technical foul. Four seconds later, a technical was called on Panthers senior Davary Anthony, who reacted to the call by pushing one of the officials. Anthony was spared an ejection as the technical was his fifth personal foul. With 20 seconds left, the Comstock Park bench was whistled for the team's third technical in a 28-second span."

What would you do if pushed?

If pushed by a player intentionally, I would eject the player. Just because he was disqualified by his fifth foul, in case sited above, is not enough. Technical fouls on bench personell are indirect to the head coach. Whack the player a couple of times and eject him and disqualify the head coach. When the coach has him running sprints until he's eligible to play again, that may get the players attention regarding the control of his emotions!

BTW In Ct when a player is ejected he must sit out the next game.

[BayStateRef]

The flagrant foul must be assessed. In Massachusetts, a player with a flagrant foul must sit out the next two games. There is no such penalty for being disqualified for five personal fouls.

Even more severe is the punishment for pushing the official, which is clearly an assault. Under Massachusetts high school rules, a student or coach who physically assaults an official shall be expelled from the activity immediately and banned from further participation or coaching in all sports for one year from the date of the offense.

I would not hesitate to write up that report.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Suppref

If pushed by a player intentionally, I would eject the player. Just because he was disqualified by his fifth foul, in case sited above, is not enough. Technical fouls on bench personell are indirect to the head coach. Whack the player a couple of times and eject him and disqualify the head coach. When the coach has him running sprints until he's eligible to play again, that may get the players attention regarding the control of his emotions!

BTW In Ct when a player is ejected he must sit out the next game.

Not required. One flagrant is plenty.

What do you base booting the head coach on?

No rule basis. The T for pushing the official was his 5th foul, so he wasn't bench personnel.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Not required. One flagrant is plenty.

What do you base booting the head coach on?

No rule basis. The T for pushing the official was his 5th foul, so he wasn't bench personnel.

add up to a head coaches disqualification.

When a player fouls out he becomes bench personell, in Ct anyway!!

[rlarry]

Originally Posted by Suppref

BTW In Ct when a player is ejected he must sit out the next game.

In VT it is 2 more games

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Suppref

add up to a head coaches disqualification.

When a player fouls out he becomes bench personell, in Ct anyway!!

Not until the coach has been notified.

Where are you getting the three indirects here?

The first two techs were on players, not the bench. The 2nd one happened to be the player's fifth foul, but this does not get assigned to the HC.

The third one would be an indirect, but that's it.

How does the coach get DQ'd here?

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by Suppref

add up to a head coaches disqualification.

When a player fouls out he becomes bench personell, in Ct anyway!!

that is true but the incident occured while he was a player not bench personell to the technical can not be applied to the coach indirectly.
so you have
two technicals on players and a bench technical
which equals one indirect on the coach

even if you whacked the kid twice that would still only be two indirect on the coach and it requires three indirect or combination of two and a direct to eject the coach.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Not until the coach has been notified.

Where are you getting the three indirects here?

The first two techs were on players, not the bench. The 2nd one happened to be the player's fifth foul, but this does not get assigned to the HC.

The third one would be an indirect, but that's it.

How does the coach get DQ'd here?

I understand that emails don't show inflection, however, what I was try to say is once the player pushes the official, he's should be ejected, now he's bench personell, at this point every time he said or did something from his location on the floor to the bench, I would add another T. When we get to three the coach is gone too. I think if the coach has to leave because of player behavior, there will be repercussions that the player will have to deal with later.

I've actually done this very procedure in a adult rec league, flag foul, he disagreed, T, T ,T - see ya in a couple of weeks. Sometimes you just have to show 'em who's in charge.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Suppref

I understand that emails don't show inflection, however, what I was try to say is once the player pushes the official, he's should be ejected, now he's bench personell, at this point every time he said or did something from his location on the floor to the bench, I would add another T. When we get to three the coach is gone too. I think if the coach has to leave because of player behavior, there will be repercussions that the player will have to deal with later.

I've actually done this very procedure in a adult rec league, flag foul, he disagreed, T, T ,T - see ya in a couple of weeks. Sometimes you just have to show 'em who's in charge.

Rediculous to go looking for stuff in this case. It would be a quick way to end my career.

[beachbum]

During a time out, a HSJV boy's player calmly came over to tell me that a player on the other team was pushing him in the stomach. He then proceeded to give me a demonstration by say, "like this", and lightly pushed me.

I decided that he meant no harm, so I just said , "do not touch an official!". He must have apologized two or three times.

Should I have tossed him?