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BillyMac Mon Jan 19, 2009 08:10pm
Team Technical, Or Player Technical ???
 
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 570164)
I had a kid hang on the rim in pre-game Saturday night. The announcer announced, "We're starting the game with FTs due to a technical foul on xxxx team during the pre-game."
I think it's a player technical foul, not a team technical foul?

NFHS Rule 10 Section 3 Player Technical: A player shall not:
ART. 3 Grasp either basket during the time of the officials’ jurisdiction, dunk or stuff, or attempt to dunk or stuff a dead ball prior to or during the game or during any intermission until jurisdiction of the officials has ended. This item applies to all team members.

Scratch85 Mon Jan 19, 2009 08:13pm
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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 570251)
What do you play around there?
Indiana, 8 minutes Varsity, everything else 6 minutes.

Nevadaref Mon Jan 19, 2009 08:17pm
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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 570092)
In Ranjo's world JV basketball is very well organized and they are expected to follow the same rules as varsity. The VHSL does however allow an exception for the "home team must wear white" rule.

And when a coach changes his starters after the 10 minute mark we are now suppose to let it go if he is doing it to "send his team a message"?
Why do you believe that the VHSL needs to make an exception for the non-white jerseys at the JV level?

Nevadaref Mon Jan 19, 2009 08:24pm
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Originally Posted by dan74 (Post 570133)
How do you report a pre-start T. Let's say a player dunks five minutes before the start or a coach makes a change to the book within ten minutes, how do you make the call?

Do you just verbalize it to the table and then to the coaches individually, or do you actually signal the T somewhere, like in front of the table or do you do so from the foul reporting area. Do you call the T right when the violation happens, or wait until the pre-game clock runs down to zero and then call it?
Read this:
http://forum.officiating.com/showpos...4&postcount=47

Nevadaref Mon Jan 19, 2009 08:26pm
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Originally Posted by deecee (Post 570190)
Not just 8 minutes for JV but also for Freshmen in SoCal.
The same is true in NV.

ranjo Mon Jan 19, 2009 09:16pm
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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 570278)
Why do you believe that the VHSL needs to make an exception for the non-white jerseys at the JV level?
The reason given is that the JV teams usually get the hand-me-down uniforms from the varsity teams, so some leaway is given until the next cycle of new uniforms are ordered for the varsity.

Nevadaref Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:16pm
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Originally Posted by ranjo (Post 570299)
The reason given is that the JV teams usually get the hand-me-down uniforms from the varsity teams, so some leaway is given until the next cycle of new uniforms are ordered for the varsity.
I understand that. However, you are missing my point. Does the state of VA or the VHSL as a league have their own rule that sub-varsity programs must wear white at home? Where is the rule coming from that needs an exception? It isn't the NFHS.

SethPDX Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:27pm
I was at an NCAA game that started with a T because the division line and center circle were obscured with the team's logo. It was the first year the rule about clearly marking the lines was in the book. The school fixed it by the next game.

Adam Tue Jan 20, 2009 07:48am
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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 570160)
You play 8 minute quarters for JV? :eek:
8 minutes around here, too.
And while I might give them an extra minute or so, if he changes starters right before tip, that's an easy call.

bob jenkins Tue Jan 20, 2009 09:08am
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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 570273)
I think it's a player technical foul, not a team technical foul?
Of course it is. That is how it was enforced.

ranjo Tue Jan 20, 2009 09:22am
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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 570318)
I understand that. However, you are missing my point. Does the state of VA or the VHSL as a league have their own rule that sub-varsity programs must wear white at home? Where is the rule coming from that needs an exception? It isn't the NFHS.
2005-05 RULE CHANGES
3-4-6 Note Beginning in 2007-08, the home team will be required to wear white jerseys and the visiting team dark jerseys.

2007-08 MAJOR EDITORIAL CHANGES
3-4-6b Implementation date reached requiring the home team to wear white jerseys. The note will be removed and a new sub-article will be added stating this requirement.

The NFHS rule book lists some exceptions for sub-varsity (i.e 5-5-1 & 5-5-3), however, uniforms are not one of them, and we are expected to enforce the same NFHS rules at both JV and Varsity levels unless the VHSL issues a directive otherwise.

Does this answer your question?

mbyron Tue Jan 20, 2009 07:29pm
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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 570251)
What do you play around there?
8 minutes: varsity

7 minutes: JV & frosh

6 minutes: MS


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