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dan74 Mon Jan 19, 2009 01:38pm

How do you report a pre-start T. Let's say a player dunks five minutes before the start or a coach makes a change to the book within ten minutes, how do you make the call?

Do you just verbalize it to the table and then to the coaches individually, or do you actually signal the T somewhere, like in front of the table or do you do so from the foul reporting area. Do you call the T right when the violation happens, or wait until the pre-game clock runs down to zero and then call it?

Mark Padgett Mon Jan 19, 2009 01:43pm

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Originally Posted by dan74 (Post 570133)
How do you report a pre-start T. Let's say a player dunks five minutes before the start or a coach makes a change to the book within ten minutes, how do you make the call?

Do you just verbalize it to the table and then to the coaches individually, or do you actually signal the T somewhere, like in front of the table or do you do so from the foul reporting area. Do you call the T right when the violation happens, or wait until the pre-game clock runs down to zero and then call it?

You use the proper mechanic which is to take the stuffed dummy of the coach and brand a "T" on its forehead. You then string the dummy up by throwing a rope over the rear support behind that team's basket. Then report it to the table in pig-latin.

Then you try to find your meds. :o

ranjo Mon Jan 19, 2009 02:15pm

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Originally Posted by ranjo (Post 569925)
Happened in a JV boys game last night -

JV game I'm not starting with the T. Let them fix it quickly and let it go. V game, nail him, but that's just me.


The coach was given an opportunity to fix it, but he chose the technical over changing the starters back to the ones originally checked off in the book.

ranjo Mon Jan 19, 2009 02:22pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 570092)
In Ranjo's world JV basketball is very well organized and they are expected to follow the same rules as varsity. The VHSL does however allow an exception for the "home team must wear white" rule.

Just to add a note, a few of our AAA JV boys teams are playing above the rim. When you throw it up, be prepared to run hard for 32 minutes. I would never turn back one of the JV boys games in our area.

mbyron Mon Jan 19, 2009 02:52pm

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Originally Posted by ranjo (Post 570143)
Just to add a note, a few of our AAA JV boys teams are playing above the rim. When you throw it up, be prepared to run hard for 32 minutes. I would never turn back one of the JV boys games in our area.

You play 8 minute quarters for JV? :eek:

bob jenkins Mon Jan 19, 2009 03:04pm

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Originally Posted by dan74 (Post 570133)
How do you report a pre-start T. Let's say a player dunks five minutes before the start or a coach makes a change to the book within ten minutes, how do you make the call?

Do you just verbalize it to the table and then to the coaches individually, or do you actually signal the T somewhere, like in front of the table or do you do so from the foul reporting area. Do you call the T right when the violation happens, or wait until the pre-game clock runs down to zero and then call it?

I had a kid hang on the rim in pre-game Saturday night. I escorted him to his coach and made him explain why we would be starting with a T. Then, I (we) made sure the books had it right and knew when and how to set the arrow, etc., and told the opposing coach that his team would start with FTs.

The announcer announced, "We're starting the game with FTs due to a technical foul on xxxx team during the pre-game."

On we went.

zm1283 Mon Jan 19, 2009 03:27pm

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 570160)
You play 8 minute quarters for JV? :eek:

Some of the bigger schools around here do, and especially during tournaments.

steve33 Mon Jan 19, 2009 03:30pm

Coaching we've had two situations like this already this season, both handled differently. (btw, NJCAA-W game)

First game, official scorebook wasn't even at the table until 5 minutes before tip-off. Officials gave them (the home team) an Administrative technical foul for not having a book. Our best FT shooter wasn't starting that day, but was able to shoot the 2, and then go back to the bench. However, they still had a jump ball to start the game. Wasn't sure if you set the arrow or jump in NCAA rules, but it wasn't a big deal since we got to start the game up 2-0 :D

Second game happened this weekend. The home team put 7 players in their book, and ended up playing 9. When we saw they were using a new player, we notified the officials and they said it was no big deal. Our HC got so upset he started going off. Luckily the officials did not T him up for his demonstration.

(BTW, these guys also waved off 5 three pointers because the 20'9" line is the "College" line and the 19'9" is the "High School" line.) :mad::rolleyes:

dbking Mon Jan 19, 2009 03:34pm

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Originally Posted by Man In Blue (Post 570087)
Are you sure this is how you want to handle a JV game? I am a by the book kind of guy but this seems excessive to me. Especially if the coach wants to change starters to send a message to his team.

Varsity game I am all over this and access the T. Sub-varsity I am asking coach what's up?

In my part of the world sub-varsity is about getting kids on the court. Often there are different uniforms, possibly 2 number 5's etc. As long as the coach explains what is happening there should be a little slack.

I am not saying that I would pass on playing rules, etc but fashion police can take a back seat for common sense.

Besides what advantage did the coach gain?

I am with Blue, below varsity, almost anything goes with all of the pregame house keeping rules. I am happy if we have a scorekeeper and clock operator that knows what they are doing and not texting.

refnrev Mon Jan 19, 2009 03:37pm

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 570160)
You play 8 minute quarters for JV? :eek:

All of them around here do.

deecee Mon Jan 19, 2009 03:39pm

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 570160)
You play 8 minute quarters for JV? :eek:

Not just 8 minutes for JV but also for Freshmen in SoCal.

ranjo Mon Jan 19, 2009 06:19pm

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 570160)
You play 8 minute quarters for JV? :eek:

JV boys & JV girls.

DonInKansas Mon Jan 19, 2009 06:39pm

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Originally Posted by ranjo (Post 570244)
JV boys & JV girls.

How it is here too.

Mark Padgett Mon Jan 19, 2009 06:41pm

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 570160)
You play 8 minute quarters for JV? :eek:

What do you play around there?

jdw3018 Mon Jan 19, 2009 06:53pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 570251)
What do you play around there?

Here in SC, it's 6-minute for everything but varsity. I actually miss that about Kansas, where all HS games were 8-minute, and MS were 6-minute. Six-minute games just seem so, well, short...


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