Horrible display of sportsmanship

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Man In Blue

I am willing to bet this isn't the first time this player acted this way. Too often tournament officials don't call the T because they don't want to deal with the results of calling it. It is EASIER to pass on the T then have to deal with the coach and parent. And then the TD comes and backs the coach, player and parent (because they are the ones paying to be in the tournament). Ref's would be more willing to make the call if supported by the TD's.

What kind of logic is it that you don't want to call a T on a young player? When else do you learn? Also why would you tell young officials not call a T because you are probably wrong with your call? The ref may have been wrong with the first call but I bet they got the T right!

A junior high tournament, really? I have not seen the JH Tournament as the hot assignment in most areas. Maybe that is what it is where you live, but I have never seen a JH tournament where the people assigning were not scrambling to get experienced and competent officials.

Peace

[Man In Blue]

In this area there are a group of guys who work 8-10 games per day (times $15). They do a bad job but want as many games as they can get. TD doesn't work hard to get better guys.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Man In Blue

In this area there are a group of guys who work 8-10 games per day (times $15). They do a bad job but want as many games as they can get. TD doesn't work hard to get better guys.

Fifthteen dollars? I get more for a running clock game during the summer.

And you wonder why you get the same people?

Peace

[just another ref]

Around here the jr. high officials and the varsity officials are pretty much the same guys. Newbies do start out in jr. high, but we don't have much of a turnover. Jr. high is mainly Monday and Thursday, while varsity is Tuesday and Friday. The only time the two conflict is for tournaments, which may be on any day of the week. It is not unusual to see two guys call jr. high one night and the same crew call varsity the next night.

[CMHCoachNRef]

Originally Posted by Man In Blue

In this area there are a group of guys who work 8-10 games per day (times $15). They do a bad job but want as many games as they can get. TD doesn't work hard to get better guys.

There are Jr. High School Tournaments and then there are tournaments that have Jr. High School-aged players. In Central Ohio, we have a similar situation to what JAR describes.

The middle school games (at middle school gyms -- regular season or league tournaments) are covered by three different types of officials: 1. Varsity officials -- most of our games are done by varsity officials; 2. Very experienced middle school officials (they may be former varsity officials looking for a slower game, they may have kids in HS and want to work other nights, etc.); 3. Newer Officials (these officials are in the minority). These games are scheduled by registered HS assignors for the most part. The assignors have the referees backs covered.

On the other hand, we do have some facilities who host tournaments for middle school-aged (and other) players. These facililities are for-profit operations. Hence, they will pay about $20 or $22 for a referee. The Directors need the teams to come back and pay the entry fees. Therefore, life for officials can be brutal. Hence, they get new officials (who are just learning) or others who can't work anywhere else.

Is it possible that the tournament described in the OP is one closely resembling my latter case described above?

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by Man In Blue

In this area there are a group of guys who work 8-10 games per day (times $15). They do a bad job but want as many games as they can get. TD doesn't work hard to get better guys.

Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef

There are Jr. High School Tournaments and then there are tournaments that have Jr. High School-aged players. In Central Ohio, we have a similar situation to what JAR describes.



On the other hand, we do have some facilities who host tournaments for middle school-aged (and other) players. These facililities are for-profit operations. Hence, they will pay about $20 or $22 for a referee. The Directors need the teams to come back and pay the entry fees. Therefore, life for officials can be brutal. Hence, they get new officials (who are just learning) or others who can't work anywhere else.

Is it possible that the tournament described in the OP is one closely resembling my latter case described above?

We have several of those facilities here in SW OH and another one on the way. One of the Hallmarks of the big tournements is that they tend to use more experienced officials and consequently while there are technicals and ejections that occur, when it does - there is rarely an issue, with the tournament operators for several reasons.
One being for the most part if it happened is was more than likely deserved. The other they have discovered over time that they do not want the knuckleheads that cause the problems at their facilities.
By putting quality officiating on the floor the get a better class of teams for the most part, or just better behavior because the word is out that knuckleheads are not tolerated - and therefore the list of teams that want to play in these tournaments usually gets larger every year.

There are still plenty of tournaments for the knuckleheads on both sides to participate in. There are just less of them every year.