Lead call over the back foul(pushing)

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

I think the thing that should be remembered is that the L in some instances is really straight-lined. And what looks like a pushing foul from behind is not a foul at all. My position is: If the L can get the angle, especially in a two-man crew, and can see the push, then by all means call the foul. But, far too many times, I will be in the C or T and have a great look at the play and the L is calling a pushing foul when I darn well know he is calling the foul because he thinks there is a foul when he really can't see what is happening because he is straight-lined on the play.

MTD, Sr.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

But, far too many times, I will be in the C or T and have a great look at the play and the L is calling a pushing foul when I darn well know he is calling the foul because he thinks there is a foul when he really can't see what is happening because he is straight-lined on the play.

MTD, Sr.

Mark,

That sounds more like people calling what looks like something, rather than what is actually there. If that is the case then it does not matter where you are positioned you are not going to get the call right in the first place. I only try to call fouls that I clearly see, not what I think happens. And I think you have to allow for some contact on rebounds or you will have a foul every single time there is a shot. I am looking for displacement and a clear advantage, not simple contact to call a foul, especially on rebounding action.

Peace

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Mark,

That sounds more like people calling what looks like something, rather than what is actually there. If that is the case then it does not matter where you are positioned you are not going to get the call right in the first place. I only try to call fouls that I clearly see, not what I think happens. And I think you have to allow for some contact on rebounds or you will have a foul every single time there is a shot. I am looking for displacement and a clear advantage, not simple contact to call a foul, especially on rebounding action.

Peace

Rut:

I think we are on the same page here. I think that too many officials, both you and old, just don't understand positioning and angles. The lack of understanding of angles and positioning causes them to make calls that they should pass on.

MTD. Sr.

[zm1283]

When being observed in 3-man, I've also been told that the Lead should seldom call a rebounding foul. The Trail should be stepping down on the shot and theoretically has a better angle anyway, and the C has his half of the lane as it is.

[CMHCoachNRef]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Rut:

I think we are on the same page here. I think that too many officials, both you and old, just don't understand positioning and angles. The lack of understanding of angles and positioning causes them to make calls that they should pass on.

MTD. Sr.

MTD,
Amen!

As a lead, you get straight-lined by the two nearest players, based solely on the actions of the player closest to you (falling forward), you ASSUME that the player behind had to call the contact. VERY BAD IDEA.

At the same time, you get a good angle, you SEE the player (A5) behind the opponent (B5) pushing with the forearm in the small of the back, you SEE A5 get the rebound as a result of the push, and you call the foul on A5.

Bad angle, can't see, can't call it. Good angle, clearly see it, call it. Why would a 3-person crew want to remove 33% of its eyes on plays that are capable of generating fouls that need to be seen by SOMEONE?