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Old Thu Jan 15, 2009, 09:11am
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If that's the case, then what is the lead even watching the paint for?
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Old Thu Jan 15, 2009, 09:15am
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I don't agree that the Lead should never call the rebounding (on the back) fouls but the Center and Trail should have better angles to make these calls. A Lead making this call isn't a problem but if things are being done correctly by all 3 officials the C and T should have the better angles to make this kind of call.

Just my opinion based on what I have seen and been taught over the years.
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Old Thu Jan 15, 2009, 09:23am
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The higher the contact, the tougher it is for the Lead to see, simply because he/she is close to it. The C and T have a wider view and should have a decent angle. I won't say the Lead should "never" have it, but I think, in general, the outside guys have a better shot at getting it right.

On the other hand, the Lead has the best look at a push in the small of the back before the players jump. That's the one that is easiest for the Lead and hardest for the C and T.

But once the players jump and get up off the floor, those bumps from behind are harder for the Lead to see, IMO.
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Old Thu Jan 15, 2009, 09:33am
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The higher the contact, the tougher it is for the Lead to see, simply because he/she is close to it. The C and T have a wider view and should have a decent angle. I won't say the Lead should "never" have it, but I think, in general, the outside guys have a better shot at getting it right.

On the other hand, the Lead has the best look at a push in the small of the back before the players jump. That's the one that is easiest for the Lead and hardest for the C and T.

But once the players jump and get up off the floor, those bumps from behind are harder for the Lead to see, IMO.
I agree, particularly if the Lead remains stationary near the lane.
Backing away [going wider], 4-6 steps, may improve a poor angle.
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Old Thu Jan 15, 2009, 09:37am
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I agree, particularly if the Lead remains stationary near the lane.
Backing away [going wider], 4-6 steps, may improve a poor angle.
If you're in a gym that allows a wide angle, by all means, use it! I worked in a gym the other night where there's like 10 feet beyond the end line to the wall, so I went about 5 feet off the end line to get a better angle. You can see quite a bit from that angle, which sometimes seems better than any angle that I could have as a trail in 2-man.
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Old Thu Jan 15, 2009, 10:04am
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If a foul takes place in your area, call it. The C and T do not have the best angle all the time on these fouls and often do not see what proceeded come other contact. I used to agree with that opinion years ago, but now I have worked long enough to know that is a silly statement.

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Old Thu Jan 15, 2009, 10:46am
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I think the thing that should be remembered is that the L in some instances is really straight-lined. And what looks like a pushing foul from behind is not a foul at all. My position is: If the L can get the angle, especially in a two-man crew, and can see the push, then by all means call the foul. But, far too many times, I will be in the C or T and have a great look at the play and the L is calling a pushing foul when I darn well know he is calling the foul because he thinks there is a foul when he really can't see what is happening because he is straight-lined on the play.

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