Intentional Technical Foul

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP

It is both, but you only signal the T. In HS and NCAA-M, this is an intentional technical foul.

So signal T at the spot...come to the table, Color, number, signal "T", Intentional?, Push, (put my left foot in, left foot out, left foot in, and shake it all about), administer free throws, put ball back in play at the spot of the foul (in this instance backcourt endline since the foul happened in the backcourt lane). Thanks all

-Josh

[Adam]

I wouldn't even use the word "intentional." It's only likely to confuse the scorers, coaches, players, and fans (and maybe even the officials).

Ball goes into play at the division line, though, since it's a technical foul.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by slow whistle

Help me out here, looking at page 71 of current fed rule book, the technical foul summary - where do we see "intentional technical"?

It's not there because the penalties don't differ. The reference is already posted for you above, in rule 4-19.

Originally Posted by slow whistle

Help me out here, looking at page 71 of current fed rule book, the technical foul summary - where do we see "intentional technical"?

Try the Rule 4-19

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by jdmara

So signal T at the spot...come to the table, Color, number, signal "T", Intentional?, Push, (put my left foot in, left foot out, left foot in, and shake it all about), administer free throws, put ball back in play at the spot of the foul (in this instance backcourt endline since the foul happened in the backcourt lane). Thanks all
-Josh

Actually, techincally, for HS, put ball back into play with a throw-in at the division line for the offended team; in NCAA, put the ball back into play at the POI, which was an endline throw-in for B after a made basket.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP

... in NCAA, put the ball back into play at the POI, which was an endline throw-in for B after a made basket.

Actually, I'm not positive, but I believe Intentional Technicals in NCAA are two shots and the ball at the division line; not POI.

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Still not too late.

You are absolutely right! Honestly, I was too busy directing traffic (keeping everyone calm), explaining to my partner what the situation was and how we were going to administer everything (he's a rookie), and then using my game management skills with the coaches. Needless to say, I was a little rattled (which typically takes a small nuclear disaster) and didn't think everything through as much as I should have before reporting.

In hindsight, I should have just gotten rid of the instigator (A12) since it was obviously his demeanor and intent with that foul.

Appreciate the other views!

-Josh

[jdmara]

You all are right, technical fouls are all put into play at the division line. That is my fault.

-Josh

[slow whistle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

No, it's not redundant.

1. Unsporting Ts do not have contact.
2. Intentional Ts are what you call when you have to call something for contact during a dead ball, but it's not flagrant.

You're right, the penalties are the same. Look under foul definitions, I believe, and you'll find the reference.

I understand what you are saying (and I think I am splitting hairs) - wouldn't it be a true statement though to say that you can equate an "intentional" technical to a "pushing" foul..describes the nature of the foul, but really what you have with a "pushing" foul is a personal foul by definition (for instance). In NCAA it is an important distinction, where "intentional" signifies not only the nature of the foul, but also how you administer...in Fed all I have ever heard or used is Administrative, Player, etc...

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Actually, I'm not positive, but I believe Intentional Technicals in NCAA are two shots and the ball at the division line; not POI.

Wow - You are correct for men. I assumed it was the same, but just did some digging, and found that the resumption of play is different for the two sides. POI for NCAA-W, division line for NCAA-M. Nice catch. My mistake.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by slow whistle

I understand what you are saying (and I think I am splitting hairs) - wouldn't it be a true statement though to say that you can equate an "intentional" technical to a "pushing" foul..describes the nature of the foul, but really what you have with a "pushing" foul is a personal foul by definition (for instance). In NCAA it is an important distinction, where "intentional" signifies not only the nature of the foul, but also how you administer...in Fed all I have ever heard or used is Administrative, Player, etc...

What are you asking? This paragraph is a bit jumbled.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by slow whistle

I understand what you are saying (and I think I am splitting hairs) - wouldn't it be a true statement though to say that you can equate an "intentional" technical to a "pushing" foul..describes the nature of the foul, but really what you have with a "pushing" foul is a personal foul by definition (for instance). In NCAA it is an important distinction, where "intentional" signifies not only the nature of the foul, but also how you administer...in Fed all I have ever heard or used is Administrative, Player, etc...

Not exactly sure where you're going with this, but the definition of a personal foul excludes all dead ball contact, unless an airborne shooter is involved.

Intentionals can be personal or technical. 4-19 could really be a good friend

[slow whistle]

Originally Posted by zm1283

What are you asking? This paragraph is a bit jumbled.

Basically saying that "intentional technical" is semantics and is irrelevant the same way it is irrelevant whether you signal a "push" or a "block"...anybody ever signaled a "block" at the table when what really happened was a "push"? Did it make a bit of difference?

Originally Posted by slow whistle

anybody ever signaled a "block" at the table when what really happened was a "push"? Did it make a bit of difference?

Yes & he!! yes (if the coach knows his stuff).