Did I do this right? T at the end of 3rd Q
 

Last second shot to end the 3rd Q. Shooter fouled by #H13, #H33 also in the area on the attempted block. #H33 who had been whining all night after ever call in her direction, gave me the look, I T her up. Time has expired.

We shot Three FT's for the attempted 3, then Two for the T. (Team V only make 1 of 5, end up losing by 2)

We start the 4th with the AP given to H, not V.

Did I do this right?

Yes -- the T was in the 3Q so the "throw-in" part of the penalty does not carry over.

In a sitch like this, when does the 3rd quarter end? In the OP, it looks like the try was over, the horn sounded and the "look" (and T) came after that. Wouldn't this fit into 5-6 Exc4? I am using an old book, I hope the rule ref is correct.

the enforcement was correct -

I have to worry about a T for a "look" -
I guess you HTBT.

Keep hope alive! j/k :D

We have FTs for the foul on the attempted block so we shoot the T as well.


My thoughts as well, if I gave a T for every dirty look...

so....
 

So had it just been common foul or the ball going out of bounds and the girl gives you a look (and you give her a T) then we administer the FTs at the start of the fourth (5-6 ex 4) and the ball awarded to the opposition of the girl who had the T?

Is that right or am I getting confused?

That is the way I am understanding it. In your sitch, the T occured after all "related activities" of the 3rd quarter were completed.

5-6-2 Exception 3 is what you're looking for - "The quarter or extra period ends when the free throw(s) and all related activity have been completed." So, in the OP, since the "dirty look" and subsequent T occurred before the FT's for the shooting foul had been completed, even though the T happened after the horn, it is still considered part of the current quarter.

In Superman's,...er,...Clark Kent's situation, since the look happened after the horn, and there was no other activity to be completed to end the quarter, the FT's and the throw-in for the T will be at the start of the 4th quarter.

Thought the shooter was fouled. Now we have free throws before the period ends.

The Look
 

Well, the look, about her 5th or 6th such "look", one each for the three fouls she got prior to this action, plus atleast 2 or 3 more on travel calls, and things that didn't go her way. My partner after stated, "She sure had the T coming" One very aggressive young lady who needs to control some emotion.

I was thinking the FT's were part of the 3rd Qtr. The teams were ready to play after the FT's but I had the timer put 60 seconds on the clock(normal time after the end of the period). I needed a break and felt the teams needed it also. Plus I wanted a little time to think about my decision, though I was the U, I wanted to think if we should go with AP or go with the actions that would normally follow a T.

In the OP, that is what happened. In CK's situation, he changed it to a non-shooting foul. That is why the enforcement changes - in the OP, the quarter had not ended because the 3 FT's for the shooting foul had not been completed. In CK's example, the quarter was complete (because there were no FT's to shoot), therefore the T is enforced at the start of the 4th quarter.

Way to go, genius, you just exposed his secret identity. Next thing you're going to tell us Dan_ref is really The Oracle.

Damn. I thought no one really reads this stuff.

But I know I'll never give away the secret that Chuck Elias and Jurassic Referee are really the same. But what a perfect cover - one claims they're a Bosox fan, the other claims they're a Yankee fan. Brilliant!

Wow, talk about cognitive dissonance.

You mean that buzzing sound I hear in my head?

You are right. Sorry for the confusion. Got to watch more closely for the twists and turns the initial sit takes as it bounces off such great minds.:p

Did you keep the players on the floor above the 3pt line, free throw line extended during the free throws or did they go to their bench?

It is also an Indirect Technical charged to the Head Coach. :eek:

Why an indirect to the Coach?

They were at their bench in the area where they are aloud to be

Time expired and he considered them part of the bench. Is this right?

All team members are bench personnel during all intermissions.

As a couple of others answered, once the quarter is over all players are now bench personnel.

Some other times where a player is bench personnel even though they are still on the court:

- Disqualified player after coach is notified.
- Substitute legally enters the court.

I don't necessarily agree that it should be an indirect technical charged to the coach a split second after the quarter is over, when the players are still on the court, but it is the rule.

The players need to remain on the court during these free throws. The quarter has not ended and there must still be 10 players on the court. What if A1 cusses at you from the bench area but you were not sure if he/she was in the game. You don't know if you have to charge the Head Coach with an indirect technical.

8-1-3...If the ball is to become dead when the last free throw for a specific penalty is not successful, players shall not occupy any spaces along the free throw lane.

8-1-5...Any player, other than the free thrower, who does not occupy a marked lane space must be behind the free-throw line extended and behind the three-point line.

Well then there can be indirect because they have not become bench personnel as the quarter had not ended until the last FT of the Tech.

As far as them(all 10) being on the court, well I was administering the T's, it would be up to my partner take care of that, but if the roles are reversed, I would let then even sit at the bench or group/huddle around the coach. Only thing I wouldn't let happen is them diconcert the FT shooter, but as we are in the 3rd Qtr, FT shooter was shooting directly in front of his own bench, little chance of disconcerting there.

My point for keeping them on the court is that you can identify which team members are players and which ones are bench personnel. If you allow them to go to their benches then there is a good chance that all the bench personnel will get up and mix with the players.

I'm not trying to be difficult I was just pointing out the rule for other officials to learn. If we do it the right way then we will have less problems in the future. :)