Baseline or Endline (Survey here)

[Nevadaref]

End lines are on basketball courts. See Rule 1-2.

Baselines are on baseball and softball fields.

[muxbule]

Honestly, this had to be surveyed? Why?

[muxbule]

OK, I just read Mark's bet. Now I understand. Sorry

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

End lines are on basketball courts. See Rule 1-2.

Baselines are on baseball and softball fields.

Be that as it may, don't be surprised to here the following.

During a timeout:

Coach: "Where is the ball?"

Official: "On the endline."

Coach: "You mean the baseline?"

Official: "Right."

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Be that as it may, don't be surprised to here the following.

During a timeout:

Coach: "Where is the ball?"

Official: "On the endline."

Coach: "You mean the baseline?"

Official: "Right. No, I mean the end line."

Fixed it for ya.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Be that as it may, don't be surprised to here the following.

During a timeout:

Coach: "Where is the ball?"

Official: (pointing) "Right there."

Coach: "Ok, thanks."

Fixed it for you. If they ask me, I just point and say, "Right there." If I'm pointing to the corner, I'll say "endline" or "sideline" as I'm pointing. Never any question.

[CaRef5]

I say end-line


and another thing that gets me is when my partner says
"no basket the foul is...

ON THE FLOOR" [all the while pointing down]

i just say to myself (isnt every foul we call "on the floor")

[CMHCoachNRef]

Originally Posted by CaRef5

I say end-line


and another thing that gets me is when my partner says
"no basket the foul is...

ON THE FLOOR" [all the while pointing down]

i just say to myself (isnt every foul we call "on the floor")

Well, technically, a foul (assuming the foul to be a personal foul) actually has to be on a player. The floor is probably not in the book.

[CMHCoachNRef]

By Rule, it is the "end line", however, to just about everyone else, it is the "baseline." I have yet to hear a coach yell, "don't let him get endline." Therefore, when talking to fellow officials, it is the "end line." When communicating to a coach, I typically speak his language in the case. If he asks if the ball is on the "baseline", I say, "yes." Of course, within a few seconds either one of my partners or I will be at that spot along the "end line" (mostly referees on the forum), or just inside it if the team gets to run the baseline -- I mean end line.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef

Well, technically, a foul (assuming the foul to be a personal foul) actually has to be on a player. The floor is probably not in the book.

I had a partner once call so many fouls "on the floor" that the floor fouled out. The best part was watching him make a signal to the table of an "F" with his fingers every time he called it.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

End lines are on basketball courts. See Rule 1-2.

Baselines are on baseball and softball fields.

Nevada:

I agree. Nothing bugs me more when I see or have a partner use the "foul tip" signal for a blocked. I always make it a point to ask him what sport we are officiating, .

MTD, Sr.

[GoodwillRef]

I usually say the baseline.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

I usually say the baseline.

We'll be consistent there if we ever work together.

[Bishopcolle]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Nevada:

I agree. Nothing bugs me more when I see or have a partner use the "foul tip" signal for a blocked. I always make it a point to ask him what sport we are officiating, .

MTD, Sr.

MTD, I respect your experience and wisdom, and my "juniority" defers to you....but I sense that the majority of the crowd recognizes the "foul-tip" baseball signal as an indication that I saw the basketball play, and let it go as a clean play. Doesn't baseball and basketball share at least one other sign (at least extremely similar)? The raised fist in baseball means a strike or an out...the arm may not be as straight as our foul call signal, but both are extremely close. Why isn't there some room for the "foul-tip" signal in basketball?

[Adam]

A foul tip signal in basketball can lead to trouble. If one official signals "foul tip" because he sees a clean block, and his partner comes in strong with a foul; you've got the equivalent of a double whistle blarge. Some officials may not care, but I'd much rather avoid explaining to a coach how I had a foul when my partner clearly signaled a clean block; and I'd rather avoid putting my partner into that position as well.

Furthermore, it's like back-pedaling; it tells coaches other officials that you're relatively new.

Honestly, in the leagues I've worked in; back pedaling and foul tip signals scream "amateur official" even louder than showing up in uniform.