Mind your own business?

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by Ignats75

So your judgement is that you would rectify a problem that was caused by your mistake with a Technical Foul?

I didn't make a mistake. Making sure each team has 5 players is not one of my duties, it is the teams' jobs to make sure they have the correct number of players. Same goes for lining up correctly for free throws. It's not the official's job to get everyone in the correct spot. Saying that the official cause one of those problems by not making sure everything was correct before administering the throw in/free throw is never correct.

[Ignats75]

Originally Posted by LDUB

I didn't make a mistake. Making sure each team has 5 players is not one of my duties, it is the teams' jobs to make sure they have the correct number of players.

You mean you don't make sure the teams are set before you adminster a throw-in?????? WTF????? That may be the most asinine and ridiculous thing I have ever read hear. You don't resume play unless the teams are set. Players don't come in unless you or your partner beckon them in. You and your partner better not admin a throw-in until you are sure the same number went off as you beckoned on.

If an assignor around here knew that was your attitude and you had a T for 6 players, you would've worked your last high school game for about 300 square miles.

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by Ignats75

You mean you don't make sure the teams are set before you adminster a throw-in?????? WTF?????

Of course I count the players. The difference between me and you is that I have no problem calling a technical foul if a team has 6 players; you think to yourself that you don't want to rectify this problem with a technical foul because you caused it.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by LDUB

Of course I count the players. The difference between me and you is that I have no problem calling a technical foul if a team has 6 players; you think to yourself that you don't want to rectify this problem with a technical foul because you caused it.

LDUB:

If you count six players, are you going to put the ball into play and then charge the team with a TF or are you going withhold the ball from being put into play and inform the team that it has six players?

MTD, Sr.

[mj]

Originally Posted by LDUB

Of course I count the players. The difference between me and you is that I have no problem calling a technical foul if a team has 6 players; you think to yourself that you don't want to rectify this problem with a technical foul because you caused it.

So if you were me the other night when the home team came out with 6 players to start the 4th quarter you would've put the ball in play then whacked them with a T??

That's the way I read it...

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Ignats75

:

You mean you don't make sure the teams are set before you adminster a throw-in?????? WTF????? That may be the most asinine and ridiculous thing I have ever read hear.

Oh please. That isn't close to what he said.

Of course he uses "preventive officiating" in this situation. We all (I assume) do.

But we recognize that there's a difference between "maanaging the game" and "complying with the rules." The former is our job; the latter is the job of the playewrs and coaches. SOmetimes the actions required are similar (e.g., both want to be sure that each team has 5 and only 5 players), but the specific responsibilities and penalties are different.

[Adam]

I'm gonna start with, "always listen to Bob."

While the officials may have failed to prevent the infraction, you cannot claim they caused it.

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Oh please. That isn't close to what he said.

Of course he uses "preventive officiating" in this situation. We all (I assume) do.

But we recognize that there's a difference between "maanaging the game" and "complying with the rules." The former is our job; the latter is the job of the playewrs and coaches. SOmetimes the actions required are similar (e.g., both want to be sure that each team has 5 and only 5 players), but the specific responsibilities and penalties are different.

Yes, of course I would say something. It is still not to make job to make sure there are 5 players, that is the job of the teams. The problem was cause by them having 6 players not by me failing to notice soon enough.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by LDUB

Yes, of course I would say something. It is still not to make job to make sure there are 5 players, that is the job of the teams. The problem was cause by them having 6 players not by me failing to notice soon enough.

LDUB:

It MOST certainly IS YOUR JOB to make sure there are five players for each team on the court before you put the ball into play.

You had better be counting player and your partner(s) had better be counting players and the ball should never be put into play until all of the officials are happy with the player count.

MTD, Sr.

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

It MOST certainly IS YOUR JOB to make sure there are five players for each team on the court before you put the ball into play.

Sorry, you are wrong, it is not my job to do so, it is the teams' jobs. You sound like some coach trying to blame the officials when his team just got caught with 6 players.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by LDUB

Sorry, you are wrong, it is not my job to do so, it is the teams' jobs. You sound like some coach trying to blame the officials when his team just got caught with 6 players.

Look, I'm the first guy to say it's the coach's job, or the NFHS wouldn't not have made this a T.

That said, this is the one T we're expected to prevent by counting players. Let me ask, do you hold the game up if you see 6 for one team?

And MTD is the last one I'd compare to a whiny coach since he's been working college ball since I was in diapers.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by LDUB

Sorry, you are wrong, it is not my job to do so, it is the teams' jobs. You sound like some coach trying to blame the officials when his team just got caught with 6 players.

LDUB:


IF YOU INTEND TO BE A SUCCESSFUL BASKETBALL OFFICIAL YOU HAD BETTER DAMN WELL BE COUNTING PLAYERS BEFORE YOU PUT THE BALL INTO PLAY. TO PUT THE BALL INTO PLAY WITHOUT COUNTING PLAYERS IS ON OF THE BIGGEST SINS A BASKETBALL OFFICIAL CAN COMMIT. IT IS NOT YOUR JOB TO PLAY GOTCHA WITH A TEAM. YOUR ATTITUDE ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTS ME.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B]

MTD, Sr.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by LDUB

I didn't make a mistake. Making sure each team has 5 players is not one of my duties, it is the teams' jobs to make sure they have the correct number of players. Same goes for lining up correctly for free throws. It's not the official's job to get everyone in the correct spot. Saying that the official cause one of those problems by not making sure everything was correct before administering the throw in/free throw is never correct.

LDUB:

So what you are saying is that you do not count players before putting the ball into play. I am willing to bet dollars to donuts that you also put the ball into play without making eye contact with your partner(s) too.

MTD, Sr.