Mind your own business?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by LDUB

First off the officials did not "screw the pooch". Every time there is a thread about rules we would like to see changed multiple people always suggest not allowing coaches to request timeouts. It is hard to do, it is a hassle. Sometimes the officials will miss a timeout request because they are not looking in the direction of the bench.

Neither one of the officials ignored his legitimate request. They were not aware that he was requesting a timeout. It is not the officials fault that the gym was loud and they could not hear the coach calling timeout.

The NCAA rules say "Coaches are expected to remain in the coaching box. To do otherwise results in a distinct advantage that is not within the spirit and intent of the rules." The coach leaving the box created a distinct advantage for his team. Had he not left the box the team would not have been granted a timeout. If I was the opposing coach in this game and you didn't call the T you can be sure that I would find my way to the middle of the court while the ball is live at some point in the game. If you're going to allow the other coach to gain an advantage by walking out to the middle of the court I'm for sure going to try to help my team out by doing the same thing.

LDUB:

Anybody who knows me will tell you that I have a near "zero" tolerance for unsportsmanlike conduct; just ask my two sons about the lectures I gave them concerning the type of behavior I expected of them as athletes, even my wife has gets a "dirty" look from me when she lets the umpires know they are lacking in their performances (she may be correct, but nobody in the stands would ever know what my opinion is of the officiating).

I and several others have stressed game awareness. The noise level may have been very high, but the T was OOT, meaning he should, I have previously stated, been looking through the players. I think that I am smart enough to recongnize the difference between a coach out on the court to coach his team or display his displeasure with the officicating and him requesting a TO.

A case in point is the 2004 YBOA Boys' National Championship. I had a 9U pool play game early in the tournament. Early in the third quarter I was T Table Side. A1 was holding the ball at the top of the key when A-HC left his coaching box to run out onto the court and picked up A2 who was standing about six feet below the free-throw line extended and carried him to a spot about three feet above the free-throw line extended. My immediate repsonse was: WHACK!!

MTD, Sr.

P.S. Daryl was not officiating the game with me.

[Adam]

Mark, if the coach wants a timeout in a noisy gym, don't you think he's obligated to use a hand signal for it before resorting to crossing the court?

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Mark, if the coach wants a timeout in a noisy gym, don't you think he's obligated to use a hand signal for it before resorting to crossing the court?

The crew didn't hear him at all. They didn't see him until he was standing at midcourt. For all they knew, he could have been jumping up and down, signaling for all he was worth.

We know from JAR's OP and clarification that the coach didn't. But it was the crew on the floor that had to make the call. And they had no idea if he had been signaling or not. How could they simply assume that he hadn't tried it, to no avail, and base a T on what they didn't see?

However, your point about the risk the HC incurs by doing this if the L looks up and sees him at midcourt shouting at his partner is valid. But the HC is under no obligation to signal for a TO.

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

And they had no idea if he had been signaling or not. How could they simply assume that he hadn't tried it, to no avail

Does that matter? I never thought requesting a timeout was a valid reason to go halfway across the court.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

The crew didn't hear him at all. They didn't see him until he was standing at midcourt. For all they knew, he could have been jumping up and down, signaling for all he was worth.

We know from JAR's OP and clarification that the coach didn't. But it was the crew on the floor that had to make the call. And they had no idea if he had been signaling or not. How could they simply assume that he hadn't tried it, to no avail, and base a T on what they didn't see?

However, your point about the risk the HC incurs by doing this if the L looks up and sees him at midcourt shouting at his partner is valid. But the HC is under no obligation to signal for a TO.

A T in this case would have been based on what they did see.

The coach is under no obligation to do anything in this situation, except stay out of the middle of the court. Is he obligated to make a signal? Certainly not. But one would think he would make one in an attempt to be noticed.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

The crew didn't hear him at all. They didn't see him until he was standing at midcourt. For all they knew, he could have been jumping up and down, signaling for all he was worth.

We know from JAR's OP and clarification that the coach didn't. But it was the crew on the floor that had to make the call. And they had no idea if he had been signaling or not. How could they simply assume that he hadn't tried it, to no avail, and base a T on what they didn't see?

However, your point about the risk the HC incurs by doing this if the L looks up and sees him at midcourt shouting at his partner is valid. But the HC is under no obligation to signal for a TO.

You're right, I'm assuming the L saw the whole play but couldn't hear what the coach was shouting. However, either way, coach risks a T.

1. L sees it, and clearly sees coach wasn't signalling. In my book, coach is under the obligation to do everything he can within the rules to get a TO before he starts breaking the rules (by going onto the middle of the court). 99.99998% chance the L would have granted a TO by the time he got 4 steps onto the court if he was signaling.

2. L doesn't see it because he's watching two knuckleheads underneath while T is watching two knuckleheads up top. Coach is allowed to request a TO, but he must do so within the rules. L looks over and sees coach standing in the middle of the court shouting at his partner, that T might just come out by instinct.

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I think that I am smart enough to recongnize the difference between a coach out on the court to coach his team or display his displeasure with the officicating and him requesting a TO.

What is the difference between these situations? It seems to me that moving down the sideline in front of the other team's bench isn't as bad as actually moving out onto the floor where one could interfere with play.

Originally Posted by oldschool

How would you deal with this. Team A gets rebound in backcourt and is triple teamed against baseline. Is a sectional champioship game in double overtime. Coach of A comes all the way down sideline to get a time out. Is actually in the other teams coaching box. Understanding she was just trying to get a timeout but is this an acceptable practice? What would you do? 3 whistle crew so I know someone should have been watching for the timeout. Thanks

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Here is how I would have handled the situation:

WHACK!!